Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Praise FSM for bringing us MM, TT, & AR!

Originally Posted by: dingus 



[wtf]


You're either lazy, or using a tablet/phone to make this post, lol.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

Lord F A V R E got a LOT of wiggle-room from the fan-base because of that drought. That is SO FORGOTTEN/ NEVER KNOWN amongst the internet generation, imo

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 


The question I have asked in the past but no one has ever been able to answer is why didn't Majkowski? He brought the Packers a winning season -- heck, he lead the league in passing, which Favre didn't do for several years.

That is one of the reasons why I think it was something about Favre's personality, not his performance or the drought, that won him adulation.
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DakotaT
13 years ago

The question I have asked in the past but no one has ever been able to answer is why didn't Majkowski? He brought the Packers a winning season -- heck, he lead the league in passing, which Favre didn't do for several years.

That is one of the reasons why I think it was something about Favre's personality, not his performance or the drought, that won him adulation.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 




I had a Viking fan tell me one time that Majkowski liked himself some young boys too, just like Strahan. Don't know if it's true, just what I heard.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Um, okay.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

The question I have asked in the past but no one has ever been able to answer is why didn't Majkowski? He brought the Packers a winning season -- heck, he lead the league in passing, which Favre didn't do for several years.

That is one of the reasons why I think it was something about Favre's personality, not his performance or the drought, that won him adulation.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


Maybe no one wants to answer it because '89 was Majkowski's only good season and his seasons after that left quite a bit to be desired. He started 8 games in '90, 8 games in '91, 3games in '92 before getting injured and Brett Favre taking over.

What wiggle room are you wanting? The guy had one great year and the rest were nothing to write home to mom about.



I had a Viking fan tell me one time that Majkowski liked himself some young boys too, just like Strahan. Don't know if it's true, just what I heard.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 


Why would you post this in this thread quoting Rourke? Start a new thread and let that run its course and keep that shit out of here.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

I find statements like this to rapidly deteriorate the credibility I feel you have established.

edit: sorry if my own statement must necessarily be read in a Yoda voice.

Originally Posted by: evad04 


I can back that up.

For people who say only wins matter,

Starr won 5 championships
Herber won 3
Rodgers won a superbowl mvp.

For performance

Adjusting the Passer Rating for the years they played in, Rodgers, Starr and Herber are all above Favre.

For people who say mistique, intangibles, heart, leadership etc.

Get real.

I haven't even started with Cecil Isbell yet.
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13 years ago

The question I have asked in the past but no one has ever been able to answer is why didn't Majkowski? He brought the Packers a winning season -- heck, he lead the league in passing, which Favre didn't do for several years.

That is one of the reasons why I think it was something about Favre's personality, not his performance or the drought, that won him adulation.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I was a little peeved when they let Brett start over Majkowski. I thought he had a small run of bad luck and that he would right himself. As for Brett he won the fans over because he played like his hair was on fire. He was running all over the place busting his gut (on gameday) to win. I don't think very many people knew he was putting forth less effort the rest of the week.

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evad04
13 years ago

I can back that up.

For people who say only wins matter,

Starr won 5 championships
Herber won 3
Rodgers won a superbowl mvp.

For performance

Adjusting the Passer Rating for the years they played in, Rodgers, Starr and Herber are all above Favre.

For people who say mistique, intangibles, heart, leadership etc.

Get real.

I haven't even started with Cecil Isbell yet.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 


Methinks those "adjustments" for passer rating must be pretty forgiving (in regards to Herber).

Herber's career stats:
career passer rating: 50.1
career TDs/INTs: 81/106
completion %: 40.9
career average passing yards/g: 62.3
careeer passing yards: 8,041

Why even go through the trouble of trying to compare the two? To say they played in different eras doesn't go nearly far enough.

Get real.

William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
"I'm a reasonable man, get off my case."
Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

Methinks those "adjustments" for passer rating must be pretty forgiving (in regards to Herber).

Herber's career stats:
career passer rating: 50.1
career TDs/INTs: 81/106
completion %: 40.9
career average passing yards/g: 62.3
careeer passing yards: 8,041

Why even go through the trouble of trying to compare the two? To say they played in different eras doesn't go nearly far enough.

Get real.

Originally Posted by: evad04 


You know what the average passer rating was back in 1941? It was 39.6. Is that what you meant by real?

You also have to understand that a lot of teams played the old Knute Rockne box formation offense from Notre Dame still. Herber and Cecil Isbel both threw passes out of the backfield.

To compare the eras is ridiculous. But Herber was farther above average than Favre was. He was more innovative and contributed more to the team. They also won 3 consecutive championships.

I am not comparing how good they were or if they had the same skill set or anything. The game is a completely different game now. So the only real comparison you can do is how much better than his contemporaries he was. Or championships. Either way, Herber is better than Favre. Herber even had an extremely long career for a QB in the 30s and 40s when most injuries were career threatening and they didn't have facemasks. Much tougher to stay in than todays NFL.

This is not a whim. It is thoroughly researched.

The fact that people want to forget or deny a good portion of the 90+ years of Packer Glory so they can puff up a guy who ratted out the team and stuck it to them is fairly sad to me.

This team invented the Dynasty and they did it twice. They had 2 different decades where they totally dominated the NFL. The are the only team with a 3peat and they did that twice. All before Favre came along. The team reached extreme heights back in those days. Much higher than Favre was able to reach. Favre was exciting. But I don't say he was excellent. He was way to flawed and failed way too many times.

To Favre coming in second was on top. For Vince Lombardi, that was for losers. Winning wasn't the only thing for Brett, it was having fun. When it wasn't fun, he didn't do it. Too much hard work is not fun. Preparation and study is not fun. Playing hard was fun, and it showed. But playing hard isn't enough if you don't play smart, well trained and well prepared.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
evad04
13 years ago

You know what average was back in 1940?

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 


I would imagine the average was drastically lower, which goes some length to prove my point: QBs weren't nearly as responsible for their teams' success in that era. Any player who can complete such a tiny percentage of their passes, throw less TDs than INTs, throw so few attempts -- can not be compared to modern QBs.

Herber lead the league in a lot of those statistics -- to you, a sign of his greatness over Favre. I say the two simply can't be compared as quarterbacks. For instance, Herber lead the league in completions per game (among other things) in 1936, with just under 4 completions per game [average].

That's not a typo -- just under 4 completions per game.
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