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13 years ago
Absolutely shameful. The head coach should be fined for this kind of behavior, in my opinion:

Video of Giants bullshit 

edit: I got so excited to hit “post” that I forgot to say that Packer fans will have to watch out for this on opposing teams during the season. McCarthy plans on using no huddle to keep things up tempo this season.
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Packers_Finland
13 years ago
When I saw that, I started laughing uncontrollably. Though my reaction would probably have been different had it been against us.

Just slap some fines on players who fake like that, and the team as well (yes, I read PFT thank you very much).
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13 years ago

(yes, I read PFT thank you very much).

Originally Posted by: Packers_Finland 



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Ha! That is funny.
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polargrizz
13 years ago
football players have used this practice for decades to stop the no huddle. it's part of football
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football players have used this practice for decades to stop the no huddle. it's part of football

Originally Posted by: polargrizz 



That doesn’t take away its status as complete and utter bullshit. I also think that if they’re going to do it they should be a little less obvious about it. Finally, I am sorry you have to be a bears fan.
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13 years ago

football players have used this practice for decades to stop the no huddle. it's part of football

Originally Posted by: polargrizz 



Part of has-been franchises whose behavior better serves them for Soccer than Football, maybe.
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Faking injuries is deplorable, in my opinion, but I don't see how any rule against it could be enforced. How can it be proven that a player was not really injured? What if it was just a cramp, which is painful and debilitating, but doesn't leave any evidence?

In the end, all you can do is have a code of honor, and judging by what these players and coaches have to say about it, there is no code of honor when it comes to this issue:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/09/21/fake.injuries.ap/index.html?sct=nfl_t2_a8 

All you can do is lose respect for the players who do this, sort of like how I lost respect for Derrick Jeter when he faked getting hit by a pitch. (Although that is provable through replay review and could easily be punished with a suspension, or even ejection from the game if it was reviewed right then and there. But it just doesn't happen often enough for Major League Baseball to bother with, it seems.)
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13 years ago
from the SI article that Greg linked:

In the memo obtained by The Associated Press, the NFL reminded teams of league policy that calls on coaches to discourage the practice. There is no specific rule on the topic.



If the NFL really wants to control fake injuries they have a couple of alternatives.
1. Charge a timeout every single time any player is injured. If a team is out of times outs give their opponent 10 yards (not 5) for delay of game.
2. Let the play continue. If the defense has a player down they can play with 10 men. If he is down while over the LOS- offsides.
I know you don't want a player down with a neck injury like N Collins and have the next play run right over him. So I will add an amendment. If they player is carted off the field no time out will be charged.



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13 years ago


I know you don't want a player down with a neck injury like N Collins and have the next play run right over him. So I will add an amendment. If they player is carted off the field no time out will be charged.

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So what happens when this acting enters the WWE sphere, a.k.a. some guy is willing to play hurt enough to be carted off, just to not have his team docked a timeout?
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So what happens when this acting enters the WWE sphere, a.k.a. some guy is willing to play hurt enough to be carted off, just to not have his team docked a timeout?

Originally Posted by: Packers_Finland 



I know. It is not perfect. There is always some way for cheaters to figure out a way around the rules. Perhaps add a mandatory 1 game off, not a suspension, for safety's sake.

Even then a team could get a 3rd stringer out on the field for one play and then have him fall down. He would be the DF- designated flopper. "come on Timmy, fall down and take it for the team!"
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
I like the way they do it in professional rugby: If someone goes down with an injury, the game continues as though nothing had happened. Medics rush out onto the field to examine and protect the player, while the action proceeds apace. No timeouts are lost and no advantage is gained. Of course, that means that while a player is being checked out, his team is playing 14-on-15, but overall, that seems fair to me. It's certainly a strong disincentive to faking.

I think this system is the best of all worlds and would translate well to American football.
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13 years ago

That doesn’t take away its status as complete and utter bullshit. I also think that if they’re going to do it they should be a little less obvious about it. Finally, I am sorry you have to be a bears fan.

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Teams like the Bengals were doing that against the the Bills and Jim Kelly decades ago. I remember the linemen talking about "trick knees" and other things during interviews.

Everyone knew it was happening. The announcers even said, there is another "injury" to slow down the no huddle. They even showed a lineman getting up and I think it was Krumrie telling the other one to stay down. The announcers even said that is what they were doing.

They have done it for years, it was completely obvious.

Why is this an issue now? Nobody was fooled then and didn't care, why is this a revelation? Why is it even an issue?

If people were unaware that it happened they are so lacking in the powers of observation that I am surprised they can cross the street without getting hit by a buss.

Let them fake injuries, it won't slow Rodgers down.
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13 years ago
I like where you're going Non, I would just be worried about part of the field being blocked off, especially if the injury happened down field. That's an issue you are not as likely to run into with no forward pass. What if you took the player off and didn't let the team replace them for a play? Yeah the defense could slow the offense down but playing a man down should be incentive enough to not cheat like the Giants just did.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
A similar thought occurred to me, but I think offenses could adapt pretty easily, just as they do when they are awarded a free play. They could simply line up more receivers on the other side of the field and either stack them downfield or have them do crossing patterns beyond the obstruction. I could see how it ultimately might favor offenses even more, especially since it wouldn't be a formation defenses were used to seeing on film.
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They have done it for years, it was completely obvious.

Why is this an issue now? Nobody was fooled then and didn't care, why is this a revelation? Why is it even an issue?

If people were unaware that it happened they are so lacking in the powers of observation that I am surprised they can cross the street without getting hit by a buss.

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Well, you can count me as one of the blind and/or ignorant, because in all the years I've been watching football, this is not something I've noticed very often. I do see defensive players get injured while the opposing offense is in hurry-up mode, but I haven't noticed an increased amount of injuries at these times, and I can't tell if the injuries are real or fake. How are you able to tell the difference?

What made it different in the Giants game was the fact that it was obvious. That's why it's being questioned so much. I've never been satisfied with explanations (for any kind of behavior) that rely on the statement, "Everybody does it, so that makes it okay." If it's crappy behavior, it should be punished. Then maybe "everybody" (it's never everybody anyway) would stop doing it. In this case, unfortunately, I don't think there's a reliable way to enforce it. But I do think it was good for the league to at least put a warning out there.
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A similar thought occurred to me, but I think offenses could adapt pretty easily, just as they do when they are awarded a free play. They could simply line up more receivers on the other side of the field and either stack them downfield or have them do crossing patterns beyond the obstruction. I could see how it ultimately might favor offenses even more, especially since it wouldn't be a formation defenses were used to seeing on film.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


Do you guys really think this is a viable solution? How do you think this would go over with the viewing public? Don't you think it would be maybe just a little bit controversial, not to mention just plain weird, for an offense to be running plays while a defender is lying on the ground injured? You can argue the pros and cons of it, but the reality is that it's not going to happen in a million years, because most fans would think it was unsportsmanlike and downright absurd.

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Do you guys really think this is a viable solution? How do you think this would go over with the viewing public? Don't you think it would be maybe just a little bit controversial, not to mention just plain weird, for an offense to be running plays while a defender is lying on the ground injured? You can argue the pros and cons of it, but the reality is that it's not going to happen in a million years, because most fans would think it was unsportsmanlike and downright absurd.

Originally Posted by: Greg C. 



I certainly don't think this will ever happen and I'm sure Non is the same way. However, we personally would both prefer a system that deters what the Giants do, regardless of whether or not that will ever happen.
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