Pack93z
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13 years ago
From Daniel Manning   to Madieu Williams  the trend of stripping the game of its physical nature from the defense towards the offense continues.

They set out on rightfully protecting defenseless players from being hit in the head, but what is happening in reality is the NFL is continuing to create an imbalanced rule book favoring and protecting the offensive players in play and safety. Want further evidence, note the cut block Stevie Johnson  was legally, within the NFL rule book, able to cripple Eric Berry with.

Someplace along the line, the NFL concocted that the NFL fanbase needs more scoring (I blame fantasy football here) and have decided to utilize player safety to further tilt to rule book towards the offensive production verses the defensive minded play.

If the objective was really player safety cut blocks in space would be illegal, crack back blocks would be uniformly flagged and offensive players would be garnering more fines for wicked hits placed upon defensive players hit from outside their vision parameters.

But other than upon the line with extreme hands to the face or headgear, to see a fine or flag upon the offense for intensity of a hit is extremely rare. But you can watch almost any game and see an offensive player launch themselves at full speed into a block, sometimes with the defender focused elsewhere upon the field. And they are applauded for effort, while the defenders more and more are uniformly being penalized and fined for the same activity while playing within the rules and the ever changing "emphasis" on defenseless offensive players.

This is a game built on brute physicality.. either change the game in a equal manner upon the individual units of the game in the name of safety.. or admit that you are utilizing the notion of safety to enhance the performance of the offensive units of the game for the additional revenue generated via of some misplaced sense of excitement for those that don't have the attention span to enjoy a defensive minded contest.

For years it has been an unfair rule set to protect the "glory boys" at the QB spot, however the NFL has decided apparently it needs even more scoring and have extended that concept to all offensive players under the veil of safety.

Needless to say, color me not a fan of the direction.
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mi_keys
13 years ago

From Daniel Manning   to Madieu Williams  the trend of stripping the game of its physical nature from the defense towards the offense continues.

They set out on rightfully protecting defenseless players from being hit in the head, but what is happening in reality is the NFL is continuing to create an imbalanced rule book favoring and protecting the offensive players in play and safety. Want further evidence, note the cut block Stevie Johnson  was legally, within the NFL rule book, able to cripple Eric Berry with.

Someplace along the line, the NFL concocted that the NFL fanbase needs more scoring (I blame fantasy football here) and have decided to utilize player safety to further tilt to rule book towards the offensive production verses the defensive minded play.

If the objective was really player safety cut blocks in space would be illegal, crack back blocks would be uniformly flagged and offensive players would be garnering more fines for wicked hits placed upon defensive players hit from outside their vision parameters.

But other than upon the line with extreme hands to the face or headgear, to see a fine or flag upon the offense for intensity of a hit is extremely rare. But you can watch almost any game and see an offensive player launch themselves at full speed into a block, sometimes with the defender focused elsewhere upon the field. And they are applauded for effort, while the defenders more and more are uniformly being penalized and fined for the same activity while playing within the rules and the ever changing "emphasis" on defenseless offensive players.

This is a game built on brute physicality.. either change the game in a equal manner upon the individual units of the game in the name of safety.. or admit that you are utilizing the notion of safety to enhance the performance of the offensive units of the game for the additional revenue generated via of some misplaced sense of excitement for those that don't have the attention span to enjoy a defensive minded contest.

For years it has been an unfair rule set to protect the "glory boys" at the QB spot, however the NFL has decided apparently it needs even more scoring and have extended that concept to all offensive players under the veil of safety.

Needless to say, color me not a fan of the direction.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



=d> Well said. I miss the days when laying out a receiver coming over the middle was not only legal, but lauded. Compare some of the things that used to happen in front of the ref without them so much as batting an eye to what happens today, it sickens me to see the fouls called now. Look at that call that extended the game sealing drive for the Redskins. It's farcical.
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beast
13 years ago
I agree with most of what you said, about how unfair it is. But some smaller things I disagree with or question.

The NFL need of more scoring seemed to come before fantasy football (or before I knew of fantasy football) so I'm not sure it's right to blame fantasy football for something that was happening before it was around... but I agree it's not helping and making the need for it feel worse.

I think some (not all) cut blocks and crack back blocks (depending how you define them) should be legal... and I think it might be hard to define what's good and what's not. Though they have with the QBs (which I'm not happy about) so I'm sure they could do it...

As for as hit from outside their vision parameters... I think that's unfair because a player could turn their head, shoulders or hips and act like it was outside their vision area...
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Pack93z
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13 years ago



I think some (not all) cut blocks and crack back blocks (depending how you define them) should be legal... and I think it might be hard to define what's good and what's not. Though they have with the QBs (which I'm not happy about) so I'm sure they could do it...

As for as hit from outside their vision parameters... I think that's unfair because a player could turn their head, shoulders or hips and act like it was outside their vision area...

Originally Posted by: beast 



How is this different from the subjective rules placed on the defenders? That is the point.. you are closing the window of what is except-able for the defenders.. but leaving the offensive players like Ward to be head hunters?



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Formo
13 years ago

From Daniel Manning   to Madieu Williams  the trend of stripping the game of its physical nature from the defense towards the offense continues.

They set out on rightfully protecting defenseless players from being hit in the head, but what is happening in reality is the NFL is continuing to create an imbalanced rule book favoring and protecting the offensive players in play and safety. Want further evidence, note the cut block Stevie Johnson  was legally, within the NFL rule book, able to cripple Eric Berry with.

Someplace along the line, the NFL concocted that the NFL fanbase needs more scoring (I blame fantasy football here) and have decided to utilize player safety to further tilt to rule book towards the offensive production verses the defensive minded play.

If the objective was really player safety cut blocks in space would be illegal, crack back blocks would be uniformly flagged and offensive players would be garnering more fines for wicked hits placed upon defensive players hit from outside their vision parameters.

But other than upon the line with extreme hands to the face or headgear, to see a fine or flag upon the offense for intensity of a hit is extremely rare. But you can watch almost any game and see an offensive player launch themselves at full speed into a block, sometimes with the defender focused elsewhere upon the field. And they are applauded for effort, while the defenders more and more are uniformly being penalized and fined for the same activity while playing within the rules and the ever changing "emphasis" on defenseless offensive players.

This is a game built on brute physicality.. either change the game in a equal manner upon the individual units of the game in the name of safety.. or admit that you are utilizing the notion of safety to enhance the performance of the offensive units of the game for the additional revenue generated via of some misplaced sense of excitement for those that don't have the attention span to enjoy a defensive minded contest.

For years it has been an unfair rule set to protect the "glory boys" at the QB spot, however the NFL has decided apparently it needs even more scoring and have extended that concept to all offensive players under the veil of safety.

Needless to say, color me not a fan of the direction.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



I was JUST having this convo with some co-workers the other day. I told them that I admit the high scoring/passing yardage games we've seen the first week of 2011 NFL football is entertaining.. but noted that I'm a HUGE defense guy and I can't help but to blame the rules for all those records that were broken last week.

I guess all these rules have done so far is make one (me especially) respect good defensive performances that much more.
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Wade
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13 years ago
I miss the days before the "5 yard" illegal contact nonsense, when DBs could play bump-and-run until the ball was in the air.

IMO we'd have to worry a lot less about "launching into defenseless receivers" and such if they allowed true "coverage" again.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

I miss the days before the "5 yard" illegal contact nonsense, when DBs could play bump-and-run until the ball was in the air.

IMO we'd have to worry a lot less about "launching into defenseless receivers" and such if they allowed true "coverage" again.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



Bumping until the ball is in the air puts the defense a big disadvantage. Just let them duke it out, best man gets the ball. Deal with it.
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