Ah but that is the issue. If it is only "reasonable" to you and no one else, then it really wasn't reasonable in the first place.
Originally Posted by: wpr
If you're referring to the board, only, then you'd be wrong. This board is it's own ecosystem. Out on twitter there are those who hammer me like Buck used to love doing, and there are those who agree with me. What seems wholly unreasonable to the group here has an audience but in your world, here, it doesn't. That doesn't make me unreasonable, yet, wholly unreasonable to YOU and THIS BOARD. That's the beauty of it to me, but, again, that's a matter of perspective. I think it's great when there is a dissenting voice amidst the crowd of sameness. Heck, here there are some more inclined to the way I think. Yoop, Rich McGeorge, dhazer, etc.
It would be nice to understand what is being viewed as unreasonable? I'm not sure what Z or yourself might be referring to?
We've talked this out before about what each of us is looking for out of Packers football. It was pretty clear back then that the majority just wanted to be entertained and if the team happened to go far in the playoffs that was just a bonus. I watch to see a team with one of the greatest QB's of all time win rings. It's won one. Meanwhile, the guy in New England has FIVE rings, so, is it really unreasonable to expect better? No. However, it is to you because it hasn't happened. So, what happens? Justification for not reaching the destination... "It's hard to win in the NFL"..."Can't win it all every year"..."At least we're not Cleveland" and the excuse for not winning another Lombardi go on and on and on. I just happen to be a fan who expects better than you. Am I horrible and unreasonable to expect more? You are free to judge and apparently have.
What I know is Aaron and Tom aren't that far apart in ability ...Aaron is superior now as Brady is playing his final holes on the back 9. What is abundantly clear is our organization is nothing compared to New England's for if it were, we'd have 5 rings and NE would have 1. Another huge difference is when this team loses year after year it's injuries...if only we weren't injured. Meanwhile, over in NE, they lose the best TE in NFL history and they win another ring. They trade off Chandler Jones ...win another ring. I'm glad for you that you find enjoyment being 2nd best. If that works for you that's great. It doesn't work for me. 2nd place is the first loser. Most of the mentalities on this board line up with the org. Imagine that! Oh, we're a great team that always has a chance...we're successful...we win the division...we go to the playoffs. In NE, that's NOTHING to them and their fans. They operate under a different level of expectation. Had they lost to Atlanta in the SB it's a wasted year to them and their fans. I can't even imagine the flowery words over here had we been Atlanta: Oh, we were so close! We'll get them next year, on and on and on. One team and fan base expects to win and demands it and nothing else satisfies, while the other loves reading it's own press clippings how it's better than most and is better than their Bears and Vikings fans buddies so it's all good.
I'm not unreasonable...your expectations are WAY too low and your ability to excuse failure and even enable it in a sense is foreign to me. Have fun this year watching a team win regular season games and then implode when it matters. We'll still be better than 8-8. Great times! Nothing short of a SB win is successful to me but just go play an old MM presser on what constitutes a successful season. I'll choose to adopt the Patriots mindset over ours all day every day. We aren't them and that's shameful. No reason for us not to be other than the regime we have in place is not comparable to theirs.
Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."