evad04
13 years ago

I'd hate to be a multitalented receiver in GB's current offense. You just aren't going to get the action your talent deserves. Man they are deep. Pick your poison D-coordinators.

How does a team not get arrogant?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 


The Packers place a pretty high premium on "fit" and good character guys. They bring in people that "fit" -- and that extends beyond their physical attributes. There is a locker room culture of "team" that is instilled by players and coaches alike. Driver and Jennings have done a lot for that receivers group, including Finley. It's not that Green Bay is above arrogance rearing it's ugly head, but they are definitely built to withstand it being a big problem. That's pretty rare for an NFL team.

Think about how toxic the Vikings' locker room has been at times. A great example is how Harvin turned on Childress, whom heavily lobbied to draft him and did some good PR work in trying to underplay Harvin's character concerns.
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Greg C.
13 years ago

That is a great point, but let me ask for the sake of discussion (particularly since I don't want to go to sleep just yet): what exactly is Jones' skill set?

Put differently, what exactly does James Jones give us that no other receiver does? Size? Finley gives us size. Ability to make tough catches? Again, Finley. Maybe behind the shoulder catches? Jennings has shown he can do that, too.

I like Jones. A lot. But does he bring a particular skill that is not matched by another receiver? Not to say this means we should trade him or anything, but I do wonder what particular favorable match-up Jones would provide that another one of our receivers also could not capitalize on.

Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 



He said "skill set," meaning a combination of skills, rather than any one particular skill that he has that nobody else has. The team would be in trouble if they didn't have multiple players who can do multiple things. With Jones, it's more about just making good moves, tough running after the catch, and having a knack for getting open on deep routes.

I was surprised how little Jones was involved in the offense. I thought he must be out with an injury before he finally made that catch in the fourth quarter. This continues a trend of him not getting the ball much in the preseason, but we'll see how it plays out. I think he'll see the ball a lot more next week.
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evad04
13 years ago

Jones' stat line for last night: 1 catch for 1 yard. Count me as taking a sadistic sort of pleasure in this. The perfunctory dump-off pass with which Rodgers favored Jones filled me with dark delight. I didn't want Jones back this year and it wouldn't bother me in the least if he is relegated to virtual irrelevance this season.

As for Randall Cobb . . . how many rookie wide receivers have caught a touchdown and returned a kickoff for a touchdown in their first game? He was incredible last night.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


A.J. Hawk didn't play a defensive snap to open the season against Philly last year and he ended up making a significant contribution.

You are entitled to your opinion of Jones, but methinks you may be disappointed when he contributes this year -- and he will. Then again, I'm sure you won't be too mad at a Packers player making plays.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Why would I be disappointed if he contributes? I said I wouldn't be disappointed if he is relegated to irrelevance -- because that means someone else has stepped up and shone. I root for the Packers as a team first and foremost, not the players who are on the roster at any given time.
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Pack93z
13 years ago

He said "skill set," meaning a combination of skills, rather than any one particular skill that he has that nobody else has. The team would be in trouble if they didn't have multiple players who can do multiple things. With Jones, it's more about just making good moves, tough running after the catch, and having a knack for getting open on deep routes.

I was surprised how little Jones was involved in the offense. I thought he must be out with an injury before he finally made that catch in the fourth quarter. This continues a trend of him not getting the ball much in the preseason, but we'll see how it plays out. I think he'll see the ball a lot more next week.

Originally Posted by: Greg C. 




Thank you for summing it up well.. also, I think Jones brings a level of physicality... Jordy being close to Jones in that department.. and I don't mean toughness.. I mean brute physicality.

Jennings is silky smooth and highly agile.. Driver is smooth and not afraid to stick his nose in the fray, Jones is stocky and plays wide and as noted just finds a way to slip past defenders deep.. and Jordy is kind of a combination of them all. Cobb.. he reminds me of a jitterbug... unpredictable movements..

As Greg noted.. IMO, they will all be utilized for their strengths.. the Saints came out blitzing as normal.. the Packers decided to beat it with timing and precision.. that kind of took Jones out of the game in most sets.. especially since the Packers were putting the TE's out wide on a ton of packages last night to force the safeties wide and attacking what I think is the weakest part of the Saints defense.. backers and safety coverage.
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evad04
13 years ago

Why would I be disappointed if he contributes? I said I wouldn't be disappointed if he is relegated to irrelevance -- because that means someone else has stepped up and shone. I root for the Packers as a team first and foremost, not the players who are on the roster at any given time.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


You missed this part: "Then again, I'm sure you won't be too mad at a Packers player making plays."
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
I didn't miss it. I just thought the first part of your post was unnecessary. [ass]
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13 years ago
just found something that is relevant to the reason i started this thread.

forgive me, i have no idea what the proper way to copy and paste a tweet is:

BrianCarriveau Brian Carriveau
by jasonjwilde
RT @PFF_MikeClay: James Jones (20 snaps) actually played significantly more than Randall Cobb (7) #Packers DJ Williams even played 9 snaps.



now I wonder how many snaps did jordy nelson play?

EDIT: just found it. jordy played 27 snaps.
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Pack93z
13 years ago
I think a lingering knee issue might have played a part in the quiet night from Jones.

There are so many variables that reacting to Jones and his relevance to this team overall on one game is shortsighted. Foundations are rarely build upon a single pebble.
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13 years ago

I think a lingering knee issue might have played a part in the quiet night from Jones.

There are so many variables that reacting to Jones and his relevance to this team overall on one game is shortsighted. Foundations are rarely build upon a single pebble.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 




As the game progressed and I had not seen a catch or throw Jones way I couldn't help but wonder if he was injured.
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