Zero2Cool's 2011 Packers 53 prediction· Page 4

Zero2Cool
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13 years ago

My point was they know more about Patrick Lee and it's certain he won't be come much. They don't have that certainty with Gordy.

beast
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13 years ago

#32

My point was they now more about Patrick Lee and it's certain he won't be come much. They don't have that certainty with Gordy.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Yeah but the unknown isn't always better than the known. Or if you prefer the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Look at punter Jon Ryan, lots of fans complained how incredible inconsistent he was... and the Packers finally replaced him and lots of fans were happier... until they figured out the new punter was consistently bad.

Zero2Cool
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13 years ago

#33

Originally Posted by: beast

Most fans were pissed off about Jon Ryan being let go. They didn't understand that sure he can belt a 70 yarder, but he also shanks quite a few too. It wasn't until he had a special teams coach that let him punt how he wanted and was most comfortable did be come a good punter.

If you know a player isn't going to succeed, you don't keep him because of some saying about the grass not being greener on the other side or what ever. This is for a 5th or 6th spot on the depth chart. This is where you take the chances on the unknown. It's how you find good players. Sam Shields?

beast
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13 years ago

#34

If you know a player isn't going to succeed, you don't keep him because of some saying about the grass not being greener on the other side or what ever. This is for a 5th or 6th spot on the depth chart. This is where you take the chances on the unknown. It's how you find good players. Sam Shields?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

You're right you let them compete... and compete wise Lee looked better against the Chiefs. I don't think Gordy or Lee should be unknown to the coaches. Shields didn't take a 5th or 6th roster spot... he earned a higher spot.

Zero2Cool
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13 years ago

#35

Originally Posted by: beast

So because you can't refute what I'm saying, you start putting words in my mouth? I never said nor implied Sam Shields was 5th or 6th. And if memory serves correctly, that's where he started and worked his way up.

Josh Gordy, played in 2 games since coming into the league in 2010.
Pat Lee, played in 16 games since coming into the league in 2008. (IR'd in 2009)

Again, I feel they know more about Pat Lee than Josh Gordy.
Again, I believe the Packers feel Pat Lee has peaked and they won't get more out of him.
Again, I don't feel they know enough about Josh Gordy to make that same statement.

I'm sure as hell not saying Josh Gordy is the next Sam Shields or Al Harris or Charles Woodson or Tramon Williams. I'm just saying, they do not have the same amount of information on him as they do Pat Lee and perhaps they keep Josh Gordy because they feel his ceiling could be higher than that of Pat Lee.

Hell, maybe the feel they opposite, that Gordy has peaked and Lee has shown them something that says he might stay healthy and reach his potential which is higher than I feel it is?

As for Pat Lee looking good against the Chiefs, others have said this after I did as well, but he was in the right place at the right time. One could argue, that's worked great for Darren Sharper. 🤷

beast
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13 years ago

#36

So because you can't refute what I'm saying, you start putting words in my mouth? I never said nor implied Sam Shields was 5th or 6th.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I did refute it and it seemed you did imply Shields was a 5th or 6th.

Since your claiming you didn't imply it then what was your reasoning for adding "Sam Shields?" to the end of this when you were talking about 5th or 6th spot?

This is for a 5th or 6th spot on the depth chart. This is where you take the chances on the unknown. It's how you find good players. Sam Shields?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

And Shileds never was the 5th or 6th during the season with 53 man roster, which is what we were talking about with Gordy.

We once had a QB throw a lot of INTs. He took chances. Packers have a lot of good players. Brett Favre?

I'm not implying ether...

Pack93z
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13 years ago

#37

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I wasn't pissed because they let Ryan go.. it was that they brought in a guy on the last day of camp, with no previous experience in the Packers system and a guy that "shanked" a number of punts before he ever got to Green Bay. Just didn't make any logical sense..

It was silly to take a guy with less of a leg and the same type of issues and think somehow he was going to be better than what you had in place. Sure Frost was noted as a directional kicker, but he also had control issues prior to the Packers.

And it backfired on them.. however they did solve it the next offseason with bringing in multiple guys and selecting one.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#38

Originally Posted by: Pack93z

If I recall correctly, the Packers special teams dude was really high on Frost, and that's why the change was made. Ted Thompson trusted someone on his staff and it blew up in their face. The special teams coach said he could coach him better than Jon Ryan.

I wasn't pissed about letting Jon Ryan go. I was more pissed about forcing him to change how he approaches kicking/punting. I feel kickers and punters are strange guys and you should let them do whatever works for them, rather than forcing them to change.

Zero2Cool
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13 years ago

#39

QB's I had right
RB's I had 4, wrong, Brandon Saine cut to 3
FB's I had 2, wrong, Quinn Johnson traded to 1.
WR's I had 6, wrong, Tori Gurley cut to 5.
TE's I had 3, wrong, Tom Crabtree and D.J. Williams kept to 5.
OL I had 9, wrong, Caleb Schlauderaff traded, Nick McDonald cut to 8
DL I had right
LB I had 8, wrong, Elijah Joseph cut, Brad Jones, Robert Francois and Jamari Lattimore kept to 10.
CB's I had 6, Pat Lee kept, Josh Gordy cut to stay at 6.
S's I had right
K, I had right
P, I had right
LS, I had wrong, Brett Goode kept but so was Evan Dietrich-Smith

QB, DL, S, K and P are all I had right and those surely were the easiest to predict.

Ted Thompson, I am not! lol

wpr
Preferred Member

13 years ago

#40

you gave it a good shot. I liked you going for a few gambles.

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