Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago
QB========1st year===Last===# of Yrs==NFL Ave=Rating==QBPRD
Starr---------1956------1971------16------67.04---80.5---13.46
Favre---------1992------2010------19------79.62---86.0---6.38
Montana-------1979------1994------15------74.81---92.3---17.49
Rodgers-------2008------2010------3-------84.20---98.4---14.20
Staubach------1969------1979------11------65.65---83.4---17.75
Unitas--------1956------1971------16------67.04---78.2---11.16
P Manning-----1998------2010------13------80.71---94.9---14.19
Brady---------2000------2010------11------81.25---95.2---13.95
K Anderson----1971------1989------19------70.03---81.9---11.87
Rivers--------2004------2010------7-------82.64---97.2---14.56
Brees---------2001------2010------10------81.57---91.7---10.13
Cutler--------2006------2010------5-------83.12---84.3---1.18
Roethlisberger2004------2010------10------82.64---94.5---11.86

I don't know how this chart will show up. But here is my explanation.

There are several people that discredit the Passer Rating system. One of the problems is that in different eras, the average passer rating is different. Considering the evolution of the game, this is to be expected. This chart doesn't address any of the other intrinsic shortcomings of the rating, like fumbles, dropped passes, rushing yards and YAC.

It is, however, a simple and consistent rating that doesn't have to look at what the QBs intentions are when he takes the snap. If he is throwing it away, in Victory Formation etc.

Yes I know it is more of a team rating than an individual rating. I do take out years when the QB has no stats. A 0 would throw off the rating, but a small sample like if they only played a couple games would have no effect.

The one thing I did is I made a spreadsheet of the average passer rating for every year in the NFL from 1940 to present. Then I made a little formula where you could put in the QBs first year, last year and career passer rating. It would then add up the average NFL QB ratings for those years, divide by number of years of service and give a average NFL passer rating for those years. Then subtract that from the QBs own career passer rating. Yielding a QBPRD or QB Passer Rating Differential.

I got some interesting preliminary findings. Roger Staubach was the man. Montana was behind him. Manning is better than Brady, Rodgers is better than Both. But Rivers is better than all 3. Favre is over rated and as we all know, Cutler sucks. He is above average... Barely. Yes, I know it is a stupid pun. And who the heck is Ken Anderson and why isn't he in the HOF?

No, I don't really think this means anything and it probably won't change anybody's opinion. But it is kind of interesting.

I would like to do every QB, but until I fix the formula (I still have to select the range of years in the data manually) it takes too long. I will get some more in later. Like Young, Marino, Elway, Kelly and Graham. I expect Graham to blow everyone away. Young will be very close to Montana. Marino will be very good but not great and Elway probably under Favre. Aikman will probably be little better than Cutler.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago
One very interesting thing I forgot to mention. Starrs QBPRD for the post season has to be a mistake somewhere. I come up with 37.76 points above average for the years he played in. Rodgers is 28.40, which is also pretty unbelievable.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Starr and Rodgers are the rare examples of quarterbacks whose passer ratings rose in the postseason. They are, in fact, the only two quarterbacks I can think of right now for whom that was the case. Not Peyton Manning, not Tom Brady, not Ben Roethlisberger, not Drew Brees, and not Brett Favre can lay claim to such an accomplishment.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago

Starr and Rodgers are the rare examples of quarterbacks whose passer ratings rose in the postseason. They are, in fact, the only two quarterbacks I can think of right now for whom that was the case. Not Peyton Manning, not Tom Brady, not Ben Roethlisberger, not Drew Brees, and not Brett Favre can lay claim to such an accomplishment.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I know I'm seen as anti Ben R, but facts are facts. Ben R is in the right place at the right time. He will probably make the Hall of Fame by being in the fortunate position of being the QB on teams with SUPERIOR Ds. His SB performances are blown away by Favre's, and Favre of course isn't exactly spectacular in the Playoffs either.

As for Dexter's system, interesting. I actually don't discredit the passer rating system. As confusing as it is, it's not really that bad. I'd have to go SB by SB, but I'm pretty sure that the winning team had a higher passer rating than the losing team at least 3/4ths of the time.

And yes, Dexter found that Starr's off the charts in the Playoffs. That's not a mistake, Dexter. He was as good as it gets in the Playoffs. Facts are facts.
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Pack93z
14 years ago

Starr and Rodgers are the rare examples of quarterbacks whose passer ratings rose in the postseason. They are, in fact, the only two quarterbacks I can think of right now for whom that was the case. Not Peyton Manning, not Tom Brady, not Ben Roethlisberger, not Drew Brees, and not Brett Favre can lay claim to such an accomplishment.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 




Actually there are many.. just checking a couple off the top - Career passing rating / Post Season. Per Pro Football References Splits.

[list]
  • Brees 91.7/102.0
  • Stabler 75.3/84.2
  • Favre 86/86.3 (I know.. by points)
  • Aikman 81.6/88.3
  • Bradshaw 70.9/83
  • Warner 93.7/102.8
  • Montana 92.3/95.6
  • Moon 80.9/84.9[/list]

  • Other mentioned.. that failed to do so..

    • Young 96.8/85.8
    • Marino 86.4/77.1
    • Big Ben 92.5/84.5
    • Elway 79.9/79.7
    • Staubach 83.4/76.0
    • Brady 95.2/85.7
    • Tarkenton 80.4/58.6

    "The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
    Dexter_Sinister
    14 years ago
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    I got the formula working. I am not very good with excel, so it took me a while. It would probably work better in a database, but I wouldn't know where to begin.

    There are some interesting things to note.
    Montana had an amazing +52.99 career super bowl QBPRD.
    Romo is pretty good. Too bad that doesn't translate to post season where he is a -2.5.
    I already found a typo. I put Elway and Marino's career rating as the same. Marino is supposed to be 86.4 and have a QBPRD of 10.18, oops. I knew from my rough estimations he was over Favre. I need a fact checker.
    Len Dawson was better than I thought.
    We have a lot of amazing QBs in the league right now OR half of them are dragging the rating down.

    This is all the farther I got with the list. If there is anybody in particular anyone wants to see, I will run the numbers.
    I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
    Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
    zombieslayer
    14 years ago
    Funny. I have heard arguments that Otto Graham is the best QB ever. Funny your new method puts him on top. I know a lot of us are thinking "who the **** is Otto Graham?"


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    Dexter_Sinister
    14 years ago

    Funny. I have heard arguments that Otto Graham is the best QB ever. Funny your new method puts him on top. I know a lot of us are thinking "who the **** is Otto Graham?"

    Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 


    Sid Luckman is now #2 on my list. With a 25.8 above average. They were contemporaries too, they went up against each other for the Championship from '45 to '50.

    I was a number 1 son. But I was always treated like #2.
    I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
    Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
    zombieslayer
    14 years ago

    Sid Luckman is now #2 on my list. With a 25.8 above average. They were contemporaries too, they went up against each other for the Championship from '45 to '50.

    I was a number 1 son. But I was always treated like #2.

    Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



    Wasn't Sid Luckman a Bear? Uh oh. You might have to adjust your adjustments to get that kink out of your system.
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    Dexter_Sinister
    14 years ago

    Wasn't Sid Luckman a Bear? Uh oh. You might have to adjust your adjustments to get that kink out of your system.

    Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 


    I have more issues with the Bear fans.

    Pappa Bear helped Curley start the Pack. We owe at least a cordial nod to them for that.

    And that was long enough of that.

    They did give us his trophy last year for winning the NFCCG. Against his team.
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