Next year, please let the fans decide the 'Top 100 Players'· Page 5

Formo
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14 years ago

What's so laughable about 3 Super Bowl appearances and 2 rings in seven seasons? Your response will be he has had a great defense and run game. Guess what? Matt Ryan is built on the same principle, he's not a gunslinger who has thrown his team to victories. Neither of them have put up as big passing numbers as Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, or Rivers. There are some people who when evaluating QB's overemphasize winning and others who overemphasize passing stats. However Big Ben blows Matt Ryan out of the water in terms of winning, and is on par or above Ryan from a pure passing stats standpoint.

Originally Posted by: The_Claymaker

Stillers defense > The Dirty Birds' defense.

I watched all of Big Ben's Super Bowl appearances and I was not impressed with ANY of them.

Matt Ryan is younger and as of right now, has a lot more upside.

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The_Claymaker
Registered

14 years ago

#42

Originally Posted by: Formo

I would concede that the Steelers have had a better overall defense, still Matt Ryan has done nothing to show me he is an elite quarterback. Being younger and having more upside (debatable) doesn't make you a better player right now which is what this debate is about. Someone I don't remember if it was you was advocating for Ryan being top 10 OVERALL, which is a joke, because if he is even or better than Ben (which I don't believe) he is not in the same league as Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees and Rivers, just among QB's. Beyond that is he even clearly better than the Eli's, Schaub's, Flacco's or Romo's of the NFL? (Not saying that I necessarily think they are all better than Ryan, just that at first glance at least some of those QB's are of similar caliber).

Formo
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#43

Originally Posted by: The_Claymaker

I didn't advocate Ryan for nothing except being ahead of Big Ben. And that's not saying much because Ben's total piece of work that we call his career doesn't impress me. That said, that was my only objection to your list that was originally quoted by Rock.

I'd put Ryan above Eli, Romo and Schaub.. and on par with Flacco. But then, I've seen more of Eli and Romo and not as much Ryan, Schaub and Flacco. I look at stats and how the QB carries himself and his team in my judgement. Not what kind of jewelry he wears. But that's just me.

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Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

14 years ago

#44

If you are forced to choose one of those two as your quarterback, you are going to have to assemble a dynamite defense.

Formo
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14 years ago

#45

If you are forced to choose one of those two as your quarterback, you are going to have to assemble a dynamite defense.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

Maybe. Ryan DID have the luxary of having Turner being his RB. But it's not like Turner is CJ or AP, either. I'd gladly take Ryan over Ben on my team 100% of the time.

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Dexter_Sinister
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14 years ago

#46

Maybe. Ryan DID have the luxary of having Turner being his RB. But it's not like Turner is CJ or AP, either. I'd gladly take Ryan over Ben on my team 100% of the time.

Originally Posted by: Formo

Neither one would make my top 5 QBs. Romo is above both of them.

I don't go by wins, because wins are a team stat. If you give the wins to the team and not the QB. Roethlisberger is not better than Ryan.

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