Next year, please let the fans decide the 'Top 100 Players'· Page 3

mi_keys
Senior Member

13 years ago

Example.. Ray Lewis is a HOF player.. a great player when he was in his prime.. that prime has long past.. he still is productive, but there is no way he belong on the list let alone the top 5. Just the truth.. he isn't the impact player on the field he once was.. not even close.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z

I agree that he's not even close to a top 5 player any more but the guy still put up 139 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 ints, 2 forced fumbles, and a touchdown this past year. I think that still deserves consideration for the back end of the list.

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Formo
Veteran Member

13 years ago

#22

So wouldn't that make it simply frivolous?

I mean.. if you want to exclude two entire teams from the voting.. well that seems pathetic.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z

I'm not saying it would or wouldn't make it frivolous. I'm just saying it could have just been a small sample size. And I would think it would be completely random, so there may be more teams that didn't get to 'vote' and others that had multiple voters.

EDIT: Annnnnd come to find out it was ProBowlers that voted. Honestly to me it doesn't matter WHAT cross-section of the NFL player base gets to 'vote'. I agree with a previous poster in that it is better than what the talking heads could put up.

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porky88
Veteran Member

13 years ago

#23

For fun

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. Haloti Ngata
4. Peyton Manning
5. Darrelle Revis
6. DeMarcus Ware
7. Patrick Willis
8. Drew Brees
9. Ndamukong Suh
10. Joe Thomas

Plus, I'll define my list. These are my top 10 players as of right now. I could care less what somebody did in 2004 when the year is 2011.

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The_Claymaker
Registered

13 years ago

#24

Originally Posted by: porky88

To me Suh #9 is outrageous, and Joe Thomas is also a big strech at 10, but I think 1-8 are solid.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#25

Originally Posted by: porky88

I had to go through your list three times before I could admit to myself that I did not see Matt Ryan on there. 😛

porky88
Veteran Member

13 years ago

#26

I had to go through your list three times before I could admit to myself that I did not see Matt Ryan on there. :P

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Give it a few more years 😁

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Pack93z
Select Member

13 years ago

#27

To me Suh #9 is outrageous, and Joe Thomas is also a big strech at 10, but I think 1-8 are solid.

Originally Posted by: The_Claymaker

Disagree.. Suh last year was about as good as it gets on the interior line play.. true impact player. I may have had him higher actually.. hard pressed to tell me that there are many players better than him right now..

That said.. Porky reasoned that Ryan didn't belong because he needs more time to prove himself (my interpretation that needs a bigger body of work) then it seems ironic that Suh gets that nod upon one year. Have to believe that Porky believes Ryan needs to develop more, in which I may challenge a some.. but Ryan is close to that top 10. Personally.. I think Ryan was better over the course of the year than Brees.. heck I think Rivers was maybe better than either of them.

Now Joe Thomas..with the level in which he plays the left tackle spot.. there is little doubt that he belongs on a top 10 list.

Personally.. having 4 QB's ranked in the top 10 is the outrageous part.. IMO.

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mi_keys
Senior Member

13 years ago

#28

Disagree.. Suh last year was about as good as it gets on the interior line play.. true impact player. I may have had him higher actually.. hard pressed to tell me that there are many players better than him right now..

That said.. Porky reasoned that Ryan didn't belong because he needs more time to prove himself (my interpretation that needs a bigger body of work) then it seems ironic that Suh gets that nod upon one year. Have to believe that Porky believes Ryan needs to develop more, in which I may challenge a some.. but Ryan is close to that top 10. Personally.. I think Ryan was better over the course of the year than Brees.. heck I think Rivers was maybe better than either of them.

Now Joe Thomas.. if you watch that kid play.. there is little doubt that he belongs on a top 10 list.

Personally.. having 4 QB's ranked in the top 10 is the outrageous part.. IMO.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z

I can't speak for Porky but I took it to mean that he felt Ryan would improve enough over the next couple of years to break into the top 10.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#29

Personally.. having 4 QB's ranked in the top 10 is the outrageous part.. IMO.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z

I fully agree that having ONLY 4 QB's in the top is outrageous!!

Rockmolder
Honored Member

13 years ago

#30

Originally Posted by: porky88

There's little to be really argued about this list, I guess. Maybe you could flick around some things, based on your own version of positional value...

I haven't seen Gates crack a top 10 for instance and I asume that has something to do with the position he plays. Elite TEs don't get the raw production elite WRs get, but an 1150 yard season last year and 780 in 10 games this (1250) is just amazing.

I'm glad you left Ryan off. I'd put Rivers in front of him. Maybe even Big Ben.

Andre Johnson might crack that list over Suh and Thomas, but really, they're awfully close. Thomas gets way too little recognition for his play. Especially since the right side of that line has been so awful for so long.

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