nerdmann
14 years ago

I think guys that do a lot of spearing or cheap shotting with their helmets usually end up with self inflicted neck problems they get to deal with for the rest of their lives, so it kind of takes care of itself. A prime example of this is John Lynch. He gets to go down as a hard hitting safety, but he really was Tony Dungy's cheap shot artist.

If they want to do the punitive actions with fines - do it by game checks not some random monetary amount. $50K is fly shit to some of these clowns, and they probably have owners that pick up the tab under the table anyway.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 





One might even argue that Sterling Sharpe's career was cut short from putting his head down and bulldozing for the extra yard or two for the first down. He seemed to be always catching the ball a yard or two short, then running over people to get the first down. Remember those weird straps he put on his helmet to keep his head from moving when he would put his helmet down?
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Stevetarded
14 years ago

If a RB puts his head down and plunges into the line, they won't fine him. That's far worse than DBs hitting guys. It's not the DB's fault if the QB is leading his WRs into hits.
Now the blatant hits to the head of Arodge, that's another story. Went repeatedly uncalled for two years. Finally Arodge is getting some respect. Wasn't it Briggs who went after Arodge's head in the playoffs this year? That's cheap.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 




If a defender blasts that RB in the helmet they won't fine him either (or they shouldn't according to the rules). I don't really have much problem with the way rules are at the moment as long as they are enforced correctly.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

If a RB puts his head down and plunges into the line, they won't fine him. That's far worse than DBs hitting guys.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I've heard others make the same claim on this board, and I don't agree with it at all. It's like a baseball player sliding hard into second base. It is understood as part of the game. In both cases it is the defender's responsibility to avoid the danger, and that's exactly what they do. Also, it would be a nightmare for officials to have to constantly make those judgment calls on ball carriers.

I can't think of any major injuries that have been caused by ball carriers' helmets. Unexpected hits are the most dangerous ones, and it is almost impossible for a ball carrier to put a surprise hit on a defender, considering that the defenders are all trying to catch the ball carrier and tackle him.
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mi_keys
14 years ago

I'm not trying to discredit Roy Williams here, but if he said he should be fined for the hit, then he'll be considered soft and a target.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Right, buy how many times were players hit with helmet to helmet contact compared to how many times an offensive player come out and said there should be no fine afterwards. Roy Williams doesn't have to say anything on the matter and he choose to come out and defend Nick's hit.

With regards to the rules I don't like the inconsistency with which they're enforced and how strict they are. If it was glancing, incidental contact I don't think it should even be a foul yet last year we saw defenders be fined for contact as innocent as brushing the top of Brett Favre's helmet with his fingertips. Whereas, Rodgers, among others, has taken intentional or at the very least extremely sloppy head shots without drawing a flag.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

Right, buy how many times were players hit with helmet to helmet contact compared to how many times an offensive player come out and said there should be no fine afterwards. Roy Williams doesn't have to say anything on the matter and he choose to come out and defend Nick's hit.

With regards to the rules I don't like the inconsistency with which they're enforced and how strict they are. If it was glancing, incidental contact I don't think it should even be a foul yet last year we saw defenders be fined for contact as innocent as brushing the top of Brett Favre's helmet with his fingertips. Whereas, Rodgers, among others, has taken intentional or at the very least extremely sloppy head shots without drawing a flag.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



Roy Williams didn't come out and say it. He was asked point blank, do you feel the hit deserves a fine? 🙂
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mi_keys
14 years ago

Roy Williams didn't come out and say it. He was asked point blank, do you feel the hit deserves a fine? :)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I don't know what question(s) Williams was asked after the game as the article I cited doesn't say what the conversation was. That said you can change the subject or not answer the question very directly. You can say you haven't seen it. There's a million ways he could get out of saying what he did without looking soft as you put it.
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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago

I think guys that do a lot of spearing or cheap shotting with their helmets usually end up with self inflicted neck problems they get to deal with for the rest of their lives, so it kind of takes care of itself. A prime example of this is John Lynch. He gets to go down as a hard hitting safety, but he really was Tony Dungy's cheap shot artist.

If they want to do the punitive actions with fines - do it by game checks not some random monetary amount. $50K is fly shit to some of these clowns, and they probably have owners that pick up the tab under the table anyway.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 


The NFL told him to cut it out. Lynch said, you are just going to have to fine me because I won't stop.

Later that year he speared a tackled RB and jammed his neck so bad, it ended his career in Tampa. Then he went to Denver where they look for guys like that.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

I don't know what question(s) Williams was asked after the game as the article I cited doesn't say what the conversation was. That said you can change the subject or not answer the question very directly. You can say you haven't seen it. There's a million ways he could get out of saying what he did without looking soft as you put it.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



Poor selection of wording on my part. Should have said, 'could have' been viewed as soft and became a target.

I don't know the questions either, but I do know that one. This discussion was discussed shortly after it happened. 🙂
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

Later that year he speared a tackled RB and jammed his neck so bad, it ended his career in Tampa. .

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 


That's what I love about the game of rugby. It is nonstop rough-and-tumble, but the tactics, mechanics, and strategies of the game preclude such malicious kinds of hitting. At best such hits would be unproductive, in many cases they would be downright counterproductive, and at worst (given the absence of pads and other equipment), they would result in severe injury to the tackler himself. As much as I have always loved football and always will, I have come to realize that rugby is much more of a true team sport than American football. There is no room for prima donnas on a rugby team; the flow of the game is just not conducive to such behavior. It's not as flashy and glitzy as American football, and for that reason it will probably never arouse in me the same kind of passion as American football, but I love the game because it is the quintessential blue collar, workmanlike sport.

And anyone who says rugby is not a real man's sport has never felt what it's like to be in the middle of a scrum or on the bottom of a maul. I can barely walk for a couple days after a game -- it's awesome!
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mi_keys
14 years ago

Poor selection of wording on my part. Should have said, 'could have' been viewed as soft and became a target.

I don't know the questions either, but I do know that one. This discussion was discussed shortly after it happened. :)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Lol, I know what you were saying I was just being a dick. I don't know why. I do remember that the hit was discussed but I don't remember what was said about any of it so I'll trust what you remember about the questions. All I was trying to do was attack Vikesrule's point about Collins and I end up arguing with you. Vikesrule, you crafty bastard.

And to nonstop, who do you know that doesn't think rugby is a real man's sport? That's insane.
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