Nick Collins: Jay Cutler Really Stinks· Page 2

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

All of the Green Bay Packers love since they won the SB, coupled with the fact that my Minnesota Vikings pretty much sucked hind tit last year,
puts me in a contrary mood from time to time.
This evening is one of those......

Nick (emotionally stable) Collins is just a target of opportunity.

Perhaps good old Nick's comment on Cutler stems from still being pissed off at that Bears fan.

Originally Posted by: vikesrule

You didn't answer my question.:-k

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#12

Iirc, Roy Williams was famous for "horse collar" tackles, not helmet to helmet. James Harrison is the "helmet to helmet" guy. Back in the day, the Packers had Chuck Cecil, who was famous for punishing hits, but that was more for bloodying his own nose than for knocking people out.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

#13

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

The hit vikesrule is talking about is the one against the WR Roy Williams where Roy jumped or leaped for a ball that I believe was deflected and Nick Collins didn't change his direction and collided helmet to helmet.

I'm just curious why vikesrule uses once instance as if it were regular. I know he has to have more than that in his pocket, after all, he watches every Packers game hoping for his hero Brett Favre to return to the lineup. 😉

DakotaT
Select Member

13 years ago

#14

I'm just curious why vikesrule uses once instance as if it were regular. I know he has to have more than that in his pocket, after all, he watches every Packers game hoping for his hero Brett Favre to return to the lineup. ;)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Kind of puts all of his rhetoric about North Dakota in question, right?

mi_keys
Senior Member

13 years ago

#15

Roy Williams himself felt the hit was rather benign and did not deserve any punishment. Williams said, "It wasn't that bad of a deal, he shouldn't get fined. It was a football play, a football player making a football play. No injury, no harm." The fact was Williams had gone up to get a pass and was on his way down. Had Collins got there a split second earlier he would have hit him in the lower back instead of the shoulders/neck area. But the league was out on its witch hunt to punish any one who dared to try and play the game aggressively.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5780523

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nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

#16

If a RB puts his head down and plunges into the line, they won't fine him. That's far worse than DBs hitting guys. It's not the DB's fault if the QB is leading his WRs into hits.
Now the blatant hits to the head of Arodge, that's another story. Went repeatedly uncalled for two years. Finally Arodge is getting some respect. Wasn't it Briggs who went after Arodge's head in the playoffs this year? That's cheap.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

I'm not trying to discredit Roy Williams here, but if he said he should be fined for the hit, then he'll be considered soft and a target.

Pack93z
Select Member

13 years ago

#18

If a RB puts his head down and plunges into the line, they won't fine him. That's far worse than DBs hitting guys. It's not the DB's fault if the QB is leading his WRs into hits.

Now the blatant hits to the head of Arodge, that's another story. Went repeatedly uncalled for two years. Finally Arodge is getting some respect. Wasn't it Briggs who went after Arodge's head in the playoffs this year? That's cheap.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

And a QB doesn't change his body position and alter the "hit zone" with a defender closing in?

Personally I have little issue with the NFL protecting the head.. but consistency, not matter the position must be mandatory. Here especially I will agree that Rodgers didn't get the same level of protection afforded to others.. or probably more realistic other situations as I don't think the NFL purposely choose to expose Rodgers to more punishment.

Personally fining a player, especially in the manner in which players were getting tagged for hits that didn't seem intentional more of a cause and effect deal, well that I can't agree with. Offensive players are going to move in the "strike" zone on their own accord.. and a defensive player (one that is tasked with stopping the play) cannot always take the proper angle and anticipate where contact will occur. It is an unrealistic expectation for the NFL to hold.

IMO.. football is a primal sport.. one in which extreme contact is expected within the confines of the game.. trust me players know the risks when suiting up.

This is where the grey lines reside.. if it is intentionally done, there is no room in the game for that.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

DakotaT
Select Member

13 years ago

#19

I think guys that do a lot of spearing or cheap shotting with their helmets usually end up with self inflicted neck problems they get to deal with for the rest of their lives, so it kind of takes care of itself. A prime example of this is John Lynch. He gets to go down as a hard hitting safety, but he really was Tony Dungy's cheap shot artist.

If they want to do the punitive actions with fines - do it by game checks not some random monetary amount. $50K is fly shit to some of these clowns, and they probably have owners that pick up the tab under the table anyway.

Porforis
Veteran Member

13 years ago

#20

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Probably because it's the only time he's ever seen a vikings WR coming close to catching a ball, thus it stuck in his memory.

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