DakotaT
13 years ago
I think our division rival will be the Detroit Lions for a couple years if and only if Stafford can stay healthy. Schwartz is building a pretty nasty front seven.
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Yerko
13 years ago
Nice write-up, especially coming from a Chicago paper. I think the Bears are far-far-far from winning it all. They have so many gaps on their team its ridiculous. Think of Julius Peppers as a BIG band-aid to the team last year. Their defense is fine though and have been for awhile.

The offensive line is terrible and stating that a 7th round pick is one of the best isn't saying much.
Cutler behind a good offensive line is still going to need better wide receivers.
By the time all this gets figured out, the defense will then be aging.

I agree with Dakota, Lions are going to be the new rivals in the NFC North, pending Stafford's health. They already make me nervous.
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warhawk
13 years ago

What picks did the Bears trade for Julius Peppers? I thought he was a Free Agent signing. That's awesome if they gave up picks too!

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



The Bears were without 1st and 2nd round picks in both '09 and '10 but I think your right that this wasn't because of Peppers.

In '09 we picked up Raji and Mathews and last year we got Bulaga and Neal.

This alone is one reason how we got younger, deeper, and, our younger players are better overall than the younger players on the Bears.

It didn't hurt us that a few young guys we have came out of nowhere as well like at CB and RB.
"The train is leaving the station."
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

What picks did the Bears trade for Julius Peppers? I thought he was a Free Agent signing. That's awesome if they gave up picks too!

"warhawk" wrote:



The Bears were without 1st and 2nd round picks in both '09 and '10.

In '09 we picked up Raji and Mathews and last year we got Bulaga and Neal.

This alone is one reason how we got younger, deeper, and, our younger players are better overall than the younger players on the Bears.

It didn't hurt us that a few young guys we have came out of nowhere as well like at CB and RB.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



That didn't remotely answer my question, lol.

Cutler Trade ...

Bears get
Jay Cutler
5th Rd 2009

Broncos get
Kyle Orton
1st Rd 2009
1st Rd 2010
3rd Rd 2009



2009 2nd Rd Pick - Chicago traded this selection to Seattle for Seattle's third- and fourth-round selections (68th and 105th overall, respectively).

2010 2nd Rd Pick - Chicago traded their second round pick to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for Gaines Adams.



So the 1st Rounders in '09 and '10 went for Jay Cutler, and the two 2nd Rounders went to Seattle and Tampa Bay.



Julius Peppers was a free agent signing from what I've found.




Thanks for making me research the Bears, jerk! :)


Edit, I was joking btw ...
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warhawk
13 years ago
I personally think the Bears screwed up going the route they took. If your going to leverage what they did and give up what they gave up you better win it all.

Where the Packers will continue to get better because the younger guys they drafted will get better the Bears can only hope the players they have signed continue to play at the level they have played at before.

They needed a QB though that's for sure. The problem for them is that is not all they needed to play with the top tier teams. They won't get the draw they got last year when they played several teams missing their QB's. That can make a defense look a lot better than it really is.
"The train is leaving the station."
Zero2Cool
13 years ago
Kyle Orton, plus the two 2 1st rounder picks > Jay Cutler.

They don't need a QB that can WIN them games, they need a game manager and that's what Kyle Orton is.

In my opinion, they should have used one of those picks for a WR, OL and defender. I think they'd be in a far better situation right now.
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warhawk
13 years ago

Kyle Orton, plus the two 2 1st rounder picks > Jay Cutler.

They don't need a QB that can WIN them games, they need a game manager and that's what Kyle Orton is.

In my opinion, they should have used one of those picks for a WR, OL and defender. I think they'd be in a far better situation right now.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I agree. Orton gets no love wherever he goes but he always plays well.

Orton could have done what Martz ultimately is having Cutler do and is more comfortable doing it. You know Cutler would rather chuck it all over the place.

It makes no sense. You bring Martz and Cutler on board and end up playing the same conservative game manager type way you did before AND lose two first round picks in the process.

Probably does make sense to Bears fans but I don't get it.
"The train is leaving the station."
macbob
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13 years ago
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2011/03/champion_packers_improved_detr.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+detroit-lions+%28Detroit+Lions+-+MLive.com%29 

I love Lovie's quote below..lol...

Hope he gets used to saying it... :icon_smile:

Champion Packers: Improved Detroit Lions will be a 'challenge to us'

By Tom Kowalski

NEW ORLEANS - After losing 19 straight games in the NFC North, the Detroit Lions have won two straight - including a 7-3 win over the eventual Super Bowl-winning Green Bay Packers.

The head coaches in the division have taken notice of Detroit's rise and now believe the NFC North will be competitive from top to bottom.

"We spend a lot of time on our division games and I'll put our division up against anybody's,'' said Packers head coach Mike McCarthy. "I think it's very obvious that Detroit has improved their personnel. With the high picks they've had, they've done a good job of late. They have a lot of positives, from their offensive perimeter which is going to be one of the better ones in the league. It's just the consistency at quarterback. It's hard to play with three quarterbacks and they did a helluva job playing with three quarterbacks.''

"In our division, it's hard to win without the right guy under center. Green Bay is a great example of that,'' said Minnesota head coach Leslie Frazier.

While the Lions are waiting for Matthew Stafford to stay healthy - and join the production of guys like Green Bay's Aaron Rodgers and Chicago's Jay Cutler - the Vikings are still looking for their quarterback.

A good quarterback can cover up a lot of ills. There's a reason people do whatever they can to find that franchise quarterback,'' Frazier said.

"The Green Bay Packers are world champs - man, it's hard to say that,'' said Bears head coach Lovie Smith. "When you have the world champion in your division and Minnesota was in an NFC championship game not long ago and everybody wants to talk about the improvements that Detroit has made, it's a tough division. It's a quarterback division - with tough defense. From top to bottom, you've got to be ready. We think we match up well within the division.''

With the Packers winning the Super Bowl last year, some forget that it was the Bears who won the NFC North. All the coaches believe the competition will only get better and, for a change, it will include the Lions.

"I think we have gained a little bit of confidence in our division,'' said Lions head coach Jim Schwartz. "We played Chicago - they were a final four team - and we played them really close, less than a touchdown both times. We split with Green Bay and played a tough game at Lambeau and we haven't played a good game out there in awhile. It's business as usual in the NFL - everybody's good, everybody's dangerous and every coach can find a way where every team can potentially beat them.''

McCarthy believes the Lions will take a big step up when Stafford stays healthy and in the huddle.

"I think they're a young, excellent football team that is going to be much improved next year,'' he said. "Any time you play with a number of different quarterbacks, it's going to affect your team. I think once they get Matthew healthy and get more consistency there, they're definitely going to be a challenge for us.''

While quarterbacks might grab the headlines in the NFC North, the division is also becoming a haven for pass rushers. The Bears added Julius Peppers last year, the Packers have Clay Matthews and the Lions revamped almost their entire defensive line. And all four teams are looking to add more defensive linemen in this off-season because, as Smith says, you can never have enough.

"No, never can. Even if you love every one, the next year we'll be looking to see if we can get an improvement because it all starts there with us,'' Smith said. "Detroit hasn't maybe played as well defensively, but offensively with Stafford quarterbacking, they have good skill. There's a lot of offensive power in this division and that's why you have to put an emphasis on your defensive line to try to slow them down.''

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beast (20-Nov) : We brought in a former Packers OL coach to help evaluate OL as a scout
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Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He landed good players thanks to high draft slot. He isn't good.
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He can shove his knowledge up his ass. He knows nothing.
beast (20-Nov) : More knowledge, just like bring in the Jets head coach
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : What? Why? Huh?
beast (19-Nov) : I wonder if the Packers might to try to bring Douglas in through Milt Hendrickson/Ravens connections
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : The Jets fired Joe Douglas, per sources
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Jets are a mess......
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Pretty sure Jets fired their scouting staff and just pluck former Packers.
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Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : When you cycle the weeks, the total over remains for season. But you get your W/L for that selected week. Confusing.
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packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the totals are accurate..nrvrtmind
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : I don't follow what you are saying. The totals are not the same as last week.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : ok so then wht are the totals the same as last week?
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : NFL Pick'em is auto updated when NFL Scores tab is clicked
Martha Careful (19-Nov) : The offense was OK. Let's not forget the Bear defense is very very good.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Who updates the leaderboard on NFLPickem?
beast (19-Nov) : Has the Packers offense been worse since the former Jets coach joined the Packers?
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Offense gets his ass in gear, this could be good.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Backup QB helped with three wins. Special Teams contributed to three wins.
bboystyle (18-Nov) : Lions played outside thats why. They scored 16 and 17 in the only 2 outside games this year
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Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Lions seem to be throttling everyone, but only (only) got 24 lol maybe the rain is why
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Packers vs Lions game doesn't seem so bad.
beast (18-Nov) : Dennis Green "They are what we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!"
Martha Careful (17-Nov) : comment of the day Z2Cool "Bears better than we want to admit. Packers worse than we think. It's facts."
Mucky Tundra (17-Nov) : my worst case scenario: Bears fix their oline and get a coach like Johnson from the Lions and his scheme
Zero2Cool (17-Nov) : Bears get OL fixed amd we might have a problem
buckeyepackfan (17-Nov) : Pretty sure they already have scouting reports on guys who aren't even starting for their college team. The future is now for me.
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beast (17-Nov) : That's great news and Packers need to keep upgrading their OL, DL and DBs this off-season, so missing one guy doesn't kill them
beast (17-Nov) : That's great news and Packers need to keep upgrading their OL, DL and DBs this off-season, so missing one guy doesn't kill them
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Martha Careful (17-Nov) : chop block
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Zero2Cool (17-Nov) : Badgers got hosed vs Oregon
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