Wisconsin Scott Walker??· Page 7

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

14 years ago

#61

porky88
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#62

How much money will this exactly save?

I'm 100% sold that this is as much about politics as anything is, but it is also about saving money and fixing the budget. All you hear is politics everywhere you look, but nobody seems to have a figure. How much does this plan save?

Also, I listened to Walker talk a few days ago. He says that getting rid of collective bargaining is necessary because unions would just negotiate their pensions and health care back to what it was prior to the passage of the bill.

Do you have to erase them permanently? Why doesnt he temporary suspend the rights to negotiate on those two specific issues?

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DakotaT
Select Member

14 years ago

#63

Unions are the enemy of Republican business men. They want to be in ultimate control of a negotiation process and give the employees crumbs in which they will determine. But the bad thing about unions is that they negotiate wage and benefits in the good years that are above and beyond anything sustainable; and then when times are bad, they are unwilling to give back anything.

I'm sorry but an assemlbly line worker for UAW who has a simple task to perform is not a $30 an hour man. He is a way overpaid $12 an hour man at best.

Unions would not be a necessary animal in todays work market if the business owner didn't take the position that workers are a dime a dozen. If you've ever owned your own businees you'll understand quickly that workers most definitely aren't a dime a dozen, in fact if you are lucky enough to find a reliable worker, you take care of that man no matter what it takes.

Porforis
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#64

"DakotaT" wrote:

Thank you for being a reasonable person in a world full of polarized partisan hacks, DakotaT. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Unions aren't evil, corporations aren't evil.

musccy
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#65

Porky - 300 million seems to be the number that keeps being cited. I don't know if that's per year, for the 2011-2013 budget or what that means, but somehow 300 million is being thrown around.

What people are going to love in all of this, though, is that he hasn't even proposed the budget yet (March 1)...this is hardly even the beginning of his attack on the public sector. Rumors of month-long closures of state departments, 900 million in additional education cuts, 20% tuition hikes and who knows what else is down the pipeline.

DakotaT
Select Member

14 years ago

#66

Thank you for being a reasonable person in a world full of polarized partisan hacks, DakotaT. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Unions aren't evil, corporations aren't evil.

"Porforis" wrote:

Thanks man, but I really am a conflicted person at this point in my life. See I do believe in the Republican party in that you work for what you get and you extract from life what you put into it. But as I've grown older, I've realized that the Republican way is predicated on on a fixed game in that all the rules, that I was brought up to believe, are heavily favored to the offspring of the upper mid class and wealthy.

What I truly would like to see is an even playing field for everyone from birth, and then each person could earn the lives they have instead of some being entitled to their predestened lives of leisure, whereas others struggle from the woom to the grave because of the decisions and/or race and culture of their parents. Maybe I feel differently than most Republicans because I did pull myself up by the bootsraps instead of having all the advantages, but I do see a need for social programs to help those in need, when so many others don't give a shit.

TwinkieGorilla
Member

14 years ago

#67

I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

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Trippster
Registered

14 years ago

#68

The man has 3.6 billion to cut over the next two or three years. No question this is the first step.

His problem is not that the unions need to be broke, but that the unions take so long to negotiate, time of which he doesn't feel he has.

Also, how much respect can you have for a union who honestly feels that Viagra is something that should be covered as a perk? (yes, this was a big issue last year with the teachers union in Wisconsin)

"Let Your Light Shine!"

longtimefan
Registered

14 years ago

#69

Tripp I posted that on last page..Doyle and Unions tried for 17 months to get a new deal but failed

Walker was suppose to get it done in 2 weeks

IronMan
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#70

So whats going to happen to all of these doctors that are giving out fake doctor excuses? I think they should have their liscences revoked.

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