zombieslayer
14 years ago



What balance is that hard to obtain.. really.

Running the ball only makes the job easier on an offense.. not run oriented, just tote it enough to make it easier on the offensive line, the receivers and our QB.

I haven't seen a single person demand a run oriented attack...

"Pack93z" wrote:



No, it's because certain people can't give Aaron credit that he can win a SB WITHOUT a running game. I said at the beginning of the year that he could and I was right.

39 passing attempts, 13 rushes, including 2 kneel downs by Aaron. What more facts do you need?

I called this game and it happened almost exactly how I said it would, although I said 40 passing attempts and 15-20 rushes by Starks. Glad MM thinks even less about balance than I do.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
Pack93z
14 years ago



No, it's because certain people can't give Aaron credit that he can win a SB WITHOUT a running game. I said at the beginning of the year that he could and I was right.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Apparently I am missing the people that aren't giving Rodgers the proper credit.. because I haven't seen anyone not giving it to him.

My perspective is to make it easier on him, keep him healthier longer and make this window of opportunity longer is all.

We agreed that we would attack and make our hay in this game in the air.. we did.. but Rodgers took over 15 hits on the day.

Believe it or not.. keeping him around is a large key to this dynasty.

I am happier than all get out the we won.. and we lit them up in the air.. but why make it more difficult on yourself than we need to?

We proved that we could run on them.. why not mix it in and create even larger passing lanes for Rodgers to attack and the receivers to hurt them in YAC?

Nothing more.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
zombieslayer
14 years ago
Or focus on the OL in the draft. Let's not forget that the Steelers have perhaps the best front 7 in the NFL and that's why he took all those hits.

Don't worry, you'll get your wish next year. Grant is 100% as we speak and he could have played Sunday. It's just IR rules kept him out of the game.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
Pack93z
14 years ago
For the record.. I am not fighting or arguing.. just trying to pass along my thoughts and honestly because I want to see Rodgers play for a long long time.

He is that special of a QB..
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
macbob
14 years ago

Or focus on the OL in the draft. Let's not forget that the Steelers have perhaps the best front 7 in the NFL and that's why he took all those hits.

Don't worry, you'll get your wish next year. Grant is 100% as we speak and he could have played Sunday. It's just IR rules kept him out of the game.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Our OL did a pretty decent job in the game. AR was taking hits because we did not have a credible threat of a run game to slow down the pass rush.

One play in the 2nd half stood out. Starks was in at RB, AR ran a PA fake to Starks. A LB was blitzing through the hole near where Starks was and didn't even give Starks a 2nd glance--he was making a bee-line towards Rodgers. Starks was only able to chip the LB, and Rodgers got sacked on the play.

Unless you are saying:
1) the Steelers had a better offense than the Packers
2) the Steelers had a better defense than the Packers
3) the Steelers Special Teams outperformed the Packers Special Teams
or 4) Mike Tomlin out-coached Mike McCarthy

I would like to hear your explanation on why we only won by 6 in a game where our D got 3 turnovers and scored a TD on one of them.

I don't believe any of those 4 in this Super Bowl. I'll anticipate your argument, because in my opinion it's the only possible one you could make--the receivers dropping balls.

Passing and catching in these tight areas, with DBs banging you and hanging on you is difficult. The drops were all on bang-bang, hard-thrown balls with defenders in the immediate area making life difficult for the receivers. When you throw it 39 times, you're going to have some drops. Get used to it, because no one is 100% perfect.

You can't subtract those out of your passing game. It would be like someone advocating running the ball saying take away the negative runs where an OL man missed his block--it's part of the running game, it happens.

So, with the totality of our passing game in SB XLV, we only won by 6 pts.

Aaron Rodgers had a TERRIFIC game, and we would have lost without those turnovers. The passing game by itself was not enough to win.
Greg C.
14 years ago
macbob: Your focus on the margin of victory is misleading. It's not like this was a 13-7 game. It was 31-25, which means that the Packer offense put up 24 points against the best defense in the league, which had given up an average of 15 points per game. If it wasn't for the injuries to Woodson and Shields, the Packer defense probably would not have allowed the Steelers to control the clock as much as they did, and the Packers might've put up another score or maybe even two.

I agree with you on the drops. You can't take those out of the equation.

Would the Packers have been better off running the ball more? Maybe, maybe not. But the fact remains that they won the Super Bowl with a pass-happy attack. It's official: Mike McCarthy knows what he's doing.
blank
Wade
  • Wade
  • Veteran Member
14 years ago

But what some people want on this board, we might as well wish for unicorns to be real too.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



/enter psychobabble mode

Hmm, that's twice I've read zombieslayer using the unicorn metaphor this morning. He must have been extra horn-y last night.

Wonder if he was playing with his collection of Simone Simons photos, too. :)

/exit psychobabble mode

p.s. Wherever one comes down on the never ending debate about the need for a better running game (and, btw, Shawn is still correct 🙂 ), one thing remains, Super Bowl or not....the Packers need to improve their OL or Rodgers won't have the opportunity to lead the Packers to those three more Super Bowl wins they need to go ahead of that other team.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
zombieslayer
14 years ago

macbob: Your focus on the margin of victory is misleading. It's not like this was a 13-7 game. It was 31-25, which means that the Packer offense put up 24 points against the best defense in the league, which had given up an average of 15 points per game. If it wasn't for the injuries to Woodson and Shields, the Packer defense probably would not have allowed the Steelers to control the clock as much as they did, and the Packers might've put up another score or maybe even two.

I agree with you on the drops. You can't take those out of the equation.

Would the Packers have been better off running the ball more? Maybe, maybe not. But the fact remains that they won the Super Bowl with a pass-happy attack. It's official: Mike McCarthy knows what he's doing.

"Greg C." wrote:



This.

How many times did the Steelers have the lead in this game? Zero?

Had we run the ball, we wouldn't have gotten so many points. Now, had our WRs caught their passes, we would have won in a blowout.

I still can't believe we're having this discussion. And yes, MM knows what he's doing. As I said in another thread, I predicted 40+ passes and 15-20 runs for Starks. Apparently, MM believes in balance even less than I do, and that's a good thing. :thumbright:
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago
The problem I have with your statements that MM wanted to throw it 40 times, he called the majority of plays as a run/pass option. He didn't call 40 pass plays. He called a handful. The rest were just reads by Rodgers.

If you want to thank anybody for passing it so much, thank the Steelers. For having a D alignment that showed a weakness that was exploitable by the pass.

If they lined up with a D that was easily exploited by the run, you would have seen a lot of runs.

When MM said that he put the game on Rodgers, he didn't mean by calling pass plays. He said it was because Rodgers was making all the decisions.

MM also said he wanted to run it more because Starks was rolling, but he was happy that Rodgers was going with his reads.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
DakotaT
14 years ago
We have a conundrum here boys. I don't think we ever have a good to great running game until Clifton and Colledge are replace with better run blocking lineman. It's hard to argue with anything from a top 5 offense, but I'd like to see Rodgers take fewer shots going forward and that means installing a better running game, to be able to grind some of these games out and dominate time of possession.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (23h) : Their season did kind of start there, so 🤷
dfosterf (19-Jul) : Eagles put an engraved Brazil flag on their super bowl rings
Zero2Cool (18-Jul) : Benton unsigned no more
Zero2Cool (17-Jul) : That's good analysis, yes you are getting old. It'd a blessing!
dfosterf (14-Jul) : *analysis* gettin' old
dfosterf (14-Jul) : One of the best analyisis I"ve ever watched at this time of an offseason
dfosterf (14-Jul) : Andy Herman interviewed Warren Sharp on his Pack a day podcast
packerfanoutwest (10-Jul) : Us Padres fans love it....But it'll be a Dodgers/Yankees World Series
Zero2Cool (9-Jul) : Brewers sweep Dodgers. Awesome
Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : And James Flanigan is the grandson of Packers Super Bowl winner Jim Flanigan Sr.
Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : Jerome Bettis and Jim Flanigans sons as well!
Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Thomas Davis Jr is OLB, not WR. Oops.
Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Larry Fitzgeral and Thomas Davis sons too. WR's as well.
Mucky Tundra (5-Jul) : Kaydon Finley, son of Jermichael Finley, commits to Notre Dame
dfosterf (3-Jul) : Make sure to send my props to him! A plus move!
Zero2Cool (3-Jul) : My cousin, yes.
dfosterf (3-Jul) : That was your brother the GB press gazette referenced with the red cross draft props thing, yes?
Zero2Cool (2-Jul) : Packers gonna unveil new throwback helmet in few weeks.
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : I know it's Kleiman but this stuff writes itself
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : "Make sure she signs the NDA before asking for a Happy Ending!"
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : @NFL_DovKleiman Powerful: Deshaun Watson is taking Shedeur Sanders 'under his wing' as a mentor to the Browns QBs
Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Dolphins get (back) Minkah Fitzpatrick in trade
Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Steelers land Jalen Ramsey via Trade
dfosterf (26-Jun) : I think it would be great to have someone like Tom Grossi or Andy Herman on the Board of Directors so he/they could inform us
dfosterf (26-Jun) : Fair enough, WPR. Thing is, I have been a long time advocate to at least have some inkling of the dynamics within the board.
wpr (26-Jun) : 1st world owners/stockholders problems dfosterf.
Martha Careful (25-Jun) : I would have otherwise admirably served
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Also, no more provision for a write-in candidate, so Martha is off the table at least for this year
dfosterf (25-Jun) : You do have to interpret the boring fine print, but all stockholders all see he is on the ballot
dfosterf (25-Jun) : It also says he is subject to another ballot in 2028. I recall nothing of this nature with Murphy
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy is on my ballot subject to me penciling him in as a no.
dfosterf (25-Jun) : I thought it used to be we voted for the whatever they called the 45, and then they voted for the seven, and then they voted for Mark Murphy
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Because I was too lazy to change my address, I haven't voted fot years until this year
dfosterf (25-Jun) : of the folks that run this team. I do not recall Mark Murphy being subject to our vote.
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy yay or nay is on the pre-approved ballot that we always approve because we are uninformed and lazy, along with all the rest
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Weird question. Very esoteric. For stockholders. Also lengthy. Sorry. Offseason.
Zero2Cool (25-Jun) : Maybe wicked wind chill made it worse?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : And then he signs with Cleveland in the offseason
Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : @SharpFootball WR Diontae Johnson just admitted he refused to enter a game in 41° weather last year in Baltimore because he felt “ice cold”
Zero2Cool (24-Jun) : Yawn. Rodgers says he is "pretty sure" this be final season.
Zero2Cool (23-Jun) : PFT claims Packers are having extension talks with Zach Tom, Quay Walker.
Mucky Tundra (20-Jun) : GB-Minnesota 2004 Wild Card game popped up on my YouTube page....UGH
beast (20-Jun) : Hmm 🤔 re-signing Walker before Tom? Sounds highly questionable to me.
Mucky Tundra (19-Jun) : One person on Twitter=cannon law
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Well, to ONE person on Tweeter
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : According to Tweeter
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Packers are working on extension for LT Walker they hope to have done before camp
dfosterf (18-Jun) : E4B landed at Andrews last night
dfosterf (18-Jun) : 101 in a 60
dfosterf (18-Jun) : FAFO
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
26m / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

16h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

18-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

15-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

14-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

10-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

10-Jul / Around The NFL / Zero2Cool

6-Jul / Random Babble / Martha Careful

4-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

2-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

2-Jul / Fantasy Sports Talk / dfosterf

1-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

25-Jun / Around The NFL / Martha Careful

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.