Zero2Cool
14 years ago

agreed with what Twinkie said.

Plus
Brees - 4400 yards, 32 TD - 21 INT, just won the super bowl holding his cute kid
Vick - maybe league MVP
Ryan - 3500ish yards, 26 TD, 9 INT, leading best team in conference
ARod - 3700ish yards, 27 TD, 10 INT.

Someone couldn't make it, I'm not at all surprised it wasn't Aaron. Greg C.made a good point about him coming on a little too late in the season as well.

"musccy" wrote:



Why not add Vick's numbers?

Vick - 3,018 yards, 21 TD, 6 INT and 9 TD rushing.
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millertime
14 years ago
Glad Sitton didn't make it. It would only increase his price tag, and frankly, no one from our o-line deserves an award.
Cheesey
14 years ago
It's all just a "popularity" contest anyway.

I'm surprised Favre didn't get in! LOL!
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RajiRoar
14 years ago
no vernon davis... wow

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Packers_Finland
14 years ago

no vernon davis... wow

"RajiRoar" wrote:



Not really if you think about it. He hasn't had a lot of good stats this season, he isn't the best blocker, and what good performances he's had are in a couple of games only, in most games he is virtually invisible.

Not sure about Gonzo, but Witten definitely deserved the nod. One of the best blocking tight ends in the league, in addition to being a good pass catcher.
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Rockmolder
14 years ago

Glad Sitton didn't make it. It would only increase his price tag, and frankly, no one from our o-line deserves an award.

"millertime" wrote:



Yes. Totally.

Without the Pro Bowl, the fans are the only ones who see how good he's playing. Without it, his agent and Ted won't have a clue and we'll get him back nice and cheap.
Rockmolder
14 years ago

no vernon davis... wow

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



Not really if you think about it. He hasn't had a lot of good stats this season, he isn't the best blocker, and what good performances he's had are in a couple of games only, in most games he is virtually invisible.

Not sure about Gonzo, but Witten definitely deserved the nod. One of the best blocking tight ends in the league, in addition to being a good pass catcher.

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Tony had about his worst season since his rookie year. Although he still has one game to play, of course, it looks like his name got him in more than anything else.

Brandon Pettigrew would've been a nice pick for the Pro Bowl. Cooley's an interesting pick, as well. I'd even like Davis over Gonzelez this year.

But yes, Pettigrew would be my pick to go behind Witten.
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14 years ago
Pete Dougherty's take 

The Packers might have deserved five Pro Bowlers, but two of the five who made it were the wrong players at their positions.

On the offensive line, give left tackle Chad Clifton all the credit for his comeback from a balky knee that got him benched against Buffalo in Week 2. At that point it looked like Cliftons distinguished 11-year career was about finished, except for maybe as a backup.

But no. He recovered to provide some solid pass blocking over the next couple months. At age 34 he faded as the season wound down, but still, considering where he was at Week 2, not bad overall.

But a Pro Bowler? No way. Now, dont blame Clifton, he didnt vote himself in, but he wasnt close to one of the three best tackles in the NFC. If someone on the Packers offensive line was to make it, it should have been guard Josh Sitton, ahead of the New York Giants Chris Snee.

At cornerback, Charles Woodson was selected for his seventh Pro Bowl. At age 34 hes a critical piece of the Packers defense, where playing the slot in the nickel hes a threat to rush or cover and a courageous tackler in the run game. Hes still making big plays (five forced fumbles, a sack and an interception this year).

But Woodsons pure cover ability is slipping, and Tramon Williams was the teams best cornerback this season. Not that interceptions are the only measure, but Williams is tied for second-most in the NFC with six. The two other cornerbacks voted in were Philadelphias Asante Samuel, who leads the NFC with seven interceptions, and Washingtons DeAngelo Hall, who along with Williams and Tampa Bays Aqib Talib has six. Williams, a first alternate, deserved the nod over his famous teammate.

Those choices reveal the flaw that annually marks the Pro Bowl, namely, that the people best qualified to vote, the pro scouts who watch film of all the teams all season, dont have votes. The fans get a third of the vote, the players get a third, and the coaches a third. The fans voted Clifton the NFCs top tackle and Woodson its top cornerback. Obviously that name recognition worked with players and coaches too, because Sitton led the guards in fan voting but was chosen only as an alternate.

All the other Packers-related choices at least were justifiable, though not necessarily correct: outside linebacker Clay Matthews, receiver Greg Jennings and safety Nick Collins made it, quarterback Aaron Rodgers and nose tackle B.J. Raji didnt.

Matthews, a starter, was a no-brainer. Hes tied for second in the NFC in sacks (12), is the best player on the leagues second-ranked scoring defense, and is a strong candidate for defensive player of the year.

Jennings made it at a tough position along with Atlantas Roddy White, Detroits Calvin Johnson and Philadelphias DeSean Jackson. White was easy he leads the NFC in receptions (109) and yards (1,327). Johnson is No. 8 in catches, No. 3 in yards (1,120) and tied with Jennings for No. 1 in touchdowns (12). Jackson has only 45 catches but might be the most dangerous receiver in the game, as evidenced by his off-the-charts 22.8-yard average per catch. Jennings, though tied for 10th in catches (72), is second in yards (1,168) and has those 12 touchdowns.

Left out was Arizonas Larry Fitzgerald, whos probably the best all-around receiver in the NFC. Considering the Cardinals horrendous quarterback play, his production No. 8 in yards and tied for No. 6 in catches might be the most impressive of the bunch. He could have made it ahead of Johnson or Jennings, but its hardly an injustice he didnt.

Collins, a starter, made it for the third season in a row, and though he hasnt made as many big plays as the last two seasons, hes still as good as any safety in the NFC. He had 13 interceptions in 2008 and 09 combined, but had only two when the players and coaches voted last week. The NFCs other safeties are Arizonas Adrian Wilson and the New York Giants Antrel Rolle.

Rodgers snub was a surprise but at least defensible because of the quality at his position. The quarterbacks chosen ahead of him were Philadelphias Michael Vick, the NFCs highest-rated passer (103.6 points) and possible challenger to New Englands Tom Brady for league MVP; Atlantas Matt Ryan, the best player on the team with the NFCs best record who has led his team to six wins when the Falcons trailed in the fourth quarter, including four times leading the winning score in the last two minutes or overtime; and New Orleans Drew Brees, the best player on a team going for its second straight Super Bowl win.

Rodgers, a first alternate, was at least as good a candidate as Ryan and Brees. His passer rating when the players and coaches voted last week was second-best in the NFC (98.5 points), behind only Vick and better than Brees (93.5) and Ryan (90.5). Ryan had thrown 16 more touchdowns than interceptions going into last week, compared to Rodgers 13 and Brees 12. Any two of those three could have joined Vick on the NFC team.

Raji, another alternate, played well enough over the second half of the season to win a spot, but hes a second-year pro who didnt have the name recognition.

Detroit rookie Ndamukong Suh is the NFCs best defensive tackle his nine sacks, which is tops among all defensive tackles in the league, accurately reflects the impact he has on games. San Franciscos Justin Smith, an interior lineman as a 3-4 defensive end, probably deserved his spot too. But Dallas Jay Ratfliff (3 sacks) was not the playmaker hed been the past few years and made it as the third defensive tackle on name alone. Raji (6 sacks), Arizonas Darnell Dockett (4 sacks), Atlantas Jonathan Babineaux (three sacks) and New Orleans Sedrick Ellis (six sacks) were more deserving.

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beast (24-Dec) : Sounds like no serious injuries from the Saints game and Jacobs and Watson should play in the Vikings game
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : both games Watson missed, Packers won
Martha Careful (24-Dec) : I hope all of you have a Merry Christmas!
Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Oh I know about Jacobs, I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to mimic Zero lol
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : Jacobs was just sat down, Watson re-injured that knee that kept him out 1 game earlier
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : I needed .14 that's. .14 points for the whole 4th quarter to win and go to the SB. Lol
Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Jacobs gonna be OK???
Zero2Cool (24-Dec) : Watson gonna be OK???
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : Inactives tonight for the Pack: Alexander- knee Bullard - ankle Williams - quad Walker -ankle Monk Heath
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : No Jaire, but hopefully the front 7 destroys the line of scrimmage & forces Rattler into a few passes to McKinney.
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I see what you did there Mucky
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : dammit. 3:25pm
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Packers Vikings flexed to 3:35pm
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : Upon receiving the news about Luke Musgrave, I immediately fell to the ground
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : Yeah baby!
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : LUKE MUSGRAVE PLAYING TONIGHT~!~~~~WOWHOAAOHAOAA yah
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.
beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : ok I stand corrected
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?
beast (23-Dec) : Saying no to the 6th lock.
beast (23-Dec) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.
beast (23-Dec) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games
beast (23-Dec) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality
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