Zero2Cool
14 years ago
http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20101124/PKR01/101124152/Rodgers-only-30-throws-shy-of-passer-rating-record-books 

Aaron Rodgers might land a spot among the elite in the NFL record books Sunday at Atlanta.

In his third season as a starter, Rodgers is only 30 pass attempts shy of the 1,500 minimum to qualify for the NFLs list of career leaders for passer rating. When he qualifies, whether thats this week or next, chances are hell rank No. 2 on the all-time list, behind only San Diegos Philip Rivers and immediately ahead of Steve Young, Tony Romo and Peyton Manning.

Its pretty cool to be mentioned with those guys there, because theyre real talented quarterbacks, Rodgers said when shown the list of the top five. Hall of Famer (i.e., Young), future Hall of Famer (Manning), potential future Hall of Famers (Rivers, Romo and Rodgers). Whats not on that list is, no Super Bowls (Rivers), no Super Bowls (Rodgers), one Super Bowl (Young), no Super Bowls (Romo), one Super Bowl (Manning). Guys get remembered more for winning Super Bowls than for passer ratings.

Passer rating, which is a formula based on four statistics (yards per attempt, completion percentage, touchdown percentage and interception percentage), has become one of the two most-used standards for measuring NFL quarterbacks, along with wins and losses. But its hardly the be all and end all.

In the mid-1970s, the NFL began changing rules to favor the passing game, and it hasnt stopped. This has made for an increasingly pass-oriented league, and passer ratings that continually rise with those changes. When defensive backs could drill receivers all over the field and offensive linemen couldnt use their hands, it was a lot harder to complete passes and avoid interceptions.

Thus, there are Pro Football Hall of Famers who rank surprisingly far down the list, and middling quarterbacks of more recent vintage who rank high.

For instance, Houstons Matt Schaub (91.4 points) is No. 11 in all-time passer rating, Miamis Chad Pennington (90.1 points) is No. 12 and Daunte Culpepper (87.8 points) is No. 13. Its hard to think any of them would crack the list of even the all-time top 100 quarterbacks.

On the other side, Dan Marino (86.4 points) ranks only No. 19, Troy Aikman (81.6 points) is tied at No. 42, Dan Fouts (80.2 points) is No. 57, John Elway (79.9 points) is No. 59 and Johnny Unitas (78.2 points) is tied for No. 69. Theyre all in the Hall of Fame, and at least three (Elway, Unitas and Marino) probably rank among the top 10 quarterbacks ever. Yet all but Marino rank behind Jacksonvilles mediocre David Garrard (No. 20 at 86.2 points) in passer rating.

Its a decent barometer, Rodgers said. Take the components of it: its efficiency, yards per attempt; its efficiency in touchdowns per attempts; its taking care of the football, interception percentage; completion percentage. I think its a good barometer of the type of quarterback you are. It doesnt measure a big run you might have had or a throwaway. But its a decent enough barometer.

Rodgers was one of five quarterbacks who finished last season with a passer rating of at least 100 points he was No. 4 at 103.2 points but will have to play near his level of the last couple of weeks over the final six games to hit the 100-point mark this year.

In the Packers first seven games, he threw nine interceptions, which is two more than his total for 2009. In the last three games, hes thrown seven touchdown passes and no interceptions. In the last two, wins over the New York Jets and Minnesota, his passer ratings were 131.5 points and 141.3 points, which is getting toward the maximum rating of 158.3 and suggests he could be on his way to a strong run in the second half. Thats pushed his season rating to 95.7, No. 8 in the league.

I think hes just being more exact with his decision-making, coach Mike McCarthy said of Rodgers recent play. His ball accuracy has been pretty consistent all year. I think sometimes you can play a little too fast. Sometimes you can be a little too smart. We had some of the turnovers there in the beginning of the year, particularly on third down. Thats not what you want.

But I think hes really in a groove right now. Hes playing with a lot of rhythm. Hes making plays with his feet. Hes playing the way that he expects to play and the way we expect him to play.

Rodgers looks like a quarterback who consistently will have a passer rating at least in the 90s because he combines accurate throwing (63.9 percent in his career) with relatively low-risk decision making, which will keep his interception totals down. So, even if he stays healthy enough to have a long career, its realistic to think he can finish with one of the highest ratings in league history.

But other more intangible qualities also will determine how much he accomplishes. Rodgers said hes learned that skills such as leadership are as much learned as innate, which offensive coordinator Joe Philbin drove home when he pulled him aside early in his career as a starter and told him his body language sometimes revealed frustration and made it look like he was blaming mistakes on teammates.

Being a quarterback, youre being watched not only by the TV audience and the fans, he said, but by your teammates, whose opinions really, really matter, and who are looking to you for leadership and for energy and for enthusiasm and how your demeanor is. Thats something you have to think about on a daily basis.


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Greg C.
14 years ago
Passer rating is a good stat for the modern game, but unfortunately it does not work for comparing QBs of different eras. It emphasizes stats that are maximized in the West Coast type offenses that came into vogue in the early 90s. So this doesn't mean a whole lot, but hey, I'll take it.
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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago
They should take out YAC. The QB doesn't run after the throw, so he shouldn't get credit for it.

To look at old timers, you should look at them in relation to their contemporaries.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
I actually agree. For example, during the Patriots/Lions game today, Tom Brady threw about 10 or 15 yards downfield to a wide-open receiver, but it went down as a 79-yard pass for a touchdown. Not because he did anything special, but because the cornerback was absolutely incapable of taking down the receiver. He actually missed the receiver three times on a single play. Why should Brady receive credit for the entire play when his contribution was relatively minor (and easy).
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Greg C.
14 years ago
Take out YAC? Are you guys kidding? YAC often (or even usually) has a lot to do with the QB hitting his receiver in stride so that he doesn't have to slow down or change course as he makes the catch. Favre was the master at that.

Brady got lucky on that long TD. He underthrew the ball, allowing the DB to get back into the play, but Branch was still able to elude him. That was the same DB, Alphonso Smith, who made that impressive interception on that deep ball to Greg Jennings. He played like a clown all day yesterday.
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DakotaT
14 years ago

I actually agree. For example, during the Patriots/Lions game today, Tom Brady threw about 10 or 15 yards downfield to a wide-open receiver, but it went down as a 79-yard pass for a touchdown. Not because he did anything special, but because the cornerback was absolutely incapable of taking down the receiver. He actually missed the receiver three times on a single play. Why should Brady receive credit for the entire play when his contribution was relatively minor (and easy).

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Because that same QB gets the interception in his column when the ball hits the guy in the hands and the receiver pops it up for the d-back. If you are going to make yac a seperate category, then you'll have to do it for tipped balls that are intercepted. It doesn't seem too complicated. Either that or we have lazy statisticians.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
I have repeatedly advocated creating a statistical category that holds receivers responsible for failing to complete the catch. When the ball caroms off the hands or chest of the receiver into the paws of the defender, I don't think that should count as an interception. It should go down as a drop or something to that effect.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago
QB rating isn't the end all be all stat. Greg C is spot on about eras. It's easier to get a good QB rating today than it was even 10 years ago. Using an example we'll all be familiar with, there's no way you can convince me that Brett Favre was better last year than he was in his 3 straight MVP seasons, despite the QB rating difference.

QB is one of those positions that there are too many intangibles to slap a simple rating on.

Still, I'm happy for Aaron. I think Aaron would be much happier though to have 3 or 4 SB Rings than the highest QB rating of all time. Don't want to speak for another man, but I bet if one of us ever got a chance to interview him, he'll respond so if asked that question.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

Take out YAC? Are you guys kidding? YAC often (or even usually) has a lot to do with the QB hitting his receiver in stride so that he doesn't have to slow down or change course as he makes the catch. Favre was the master at that.

Brady got lucky on that long TD. He underthrew the ball, allowing the DB to get back into the play, but Branch was still able to elude him. That was the same DB, Alphonso Smith, who made that impressive interception on that deep ball to Greg Jennings. He played like a clown all day yesterday.

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I can't believe someone would even consider removing YAC from a QB. Most QB's can hit a stationary target. The real trick is throwing it into a tight window while the WR is moving and making him not miss his stride.
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longtimefan
14 years ago

I have repeatedly advocated creating a statistical category that holds receivers responsible for failing to complete the catch. When the ball caroms off the hands or chest of the receiver into the paws of the defender, I don't think that should count as an interception. It should go down as a drop or something to that effect.

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I agree 100000000000000% but there is an issue..


What I may think is a catchable ball, you or someone else doesnt think it was a catchable ball..

WR had to jump and reach high as possible but ball slips thru hands is intercepted..I say he could catch it, you say he couldnt...Or diving in the air I say he couldnt catch it, you say he could

It will NEVER be a perfect way to call that, so this is the only acceptable way of ruling it
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