Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Exactly how does someone wearing the uniform of a land he loves on a patriotic holiday show disrespect and dishonor as long as he himself is acting in a respectful and honorable fashion?

Are you telling me that wearing a military uniform in a parade HONORING VETERANS is somehow more disreputable than wearing a military uniform to a strip club (as I saw one female soldier do) or getting wasted while in uniform (as I've seen many soldiers, marines, and airmen do), or murdering while in uniform (as happened at Fort Hood last year -- I personally know some of the guys who were among the killed and wounded!), or even spewing hate, screaming profanities and obscenities, and using the Lord's name in vain while in uniform?

I beg to differ.

What that man did was to me highly respectable and honorable. What I see on a daily basis happening in uniform very often is not.

So who really is doing the disrespecting and dishonoring?
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Formo
14 years ago

what about the vets that it DOES matter?

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Maybe they should chill out and not take themselves so seriously. It's just a job, people -- and one for which servicemembers are paid twice, sometimes even three times what they'd make in the civilian world for comparable work. (Try getting paid $40,000 a year to be an EMT, secretary, or truck mechanic on the civilian side -- they'll laugh in your face.) Any vet who tells you he didn't do it for the money is lying to you. There isn't a person in the military who'd show up for work if he knew he wasn't getting that guaranteed paycheck every month. Veterans screamed to high heaven when George Bush proposed eliminating all combat pays. I should know -- I was one of those who screamed.

While I certainly met quite a few jingoists in the military, I didn't meet too many true patriots, at least not any who had a genuine understanding of the principles upon which this country was founded. I did, however, meet a whole lot of people who openly admitted to being too scared to try to make it in the civilian world and whose main reason for staying in the military was that it was perceived by society as more honorable than living on welfare. (And let's face it: the military lifestyle truly is one grandiose welfare scheme.) The number-one reason given to encourage soldiers to stay in: "It's easy money." Which it truly is.

No joke.

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Do you know what sacred means, right?
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
How are servicemembers more sacred than doctors, nurses, lawyers, garbagemen, teachers, computer programmers, farmers, or any of the other professionals we rely upon on a daily basis and without whom our lives would suck?
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14 years ago



So who really is doing the disrespecting and dishonoring?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Like all professions or groups, there are those the will disgrace the entire group.

That doesn't change those in the military that are putting their life in harms way to be honored less or disrespected by those that never have walked in their shoes.

It is up to those within the Military to police their own and correct that negative light.

Sorry.. but just because there are assholes in the Military, I will not disrespect them any less because of those not worthy. Not my place to pass judgment unless I see or experience it for myself.. then deal with them as an individual.

Now.. do I think the guy should serve jail time... probably not, but that doesn't make it right.
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Formo
14 years ago

Exactly how does someone wearing the uniform of a land he loves on a patriotic holiday show disrespect and dishonor as long as he himself is acting in a respectful and honorable fashion?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Nothing. There are plenty of options out there at Halloween stores to get said costumes.

But wearing someone else's military unis with someone else's medals as they are their own could totally be found to show disrespect. You wearing something like that shows that you are the person to deserve those 'trinkets'.
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Formo
14 years ago

How are servicemembers more sacred than doctors, nurses, lawyers, garbagemen, teachers, computer programmers, farmers, or any of the other professionals we rely upon on a daily basis and without whom our lives would suck?

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You missed the point of my post.

Also, because most of those options you gave don't have the 'glorified' job of following orders, without question might I add, that can and sometimes will end up in their untimely death by another man's hand.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Or maybe you're honoring, commemorating, and memorializing that person.

You know, like an actor or a reenactor does.
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Porforis
14 years ago

How are servicemembers more sacred than doctors, nurses, lawyers, garbagemen, teachers, computer programmers, farmers, or any of the other professionals we rely upon on a daily basis and without whom our lives would suck?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Doctors, nurses, lawyers, garbagemen, teacher, computer programmers, and farmers don't willingly deploy to combat zones. Laying your life on the line earns a certain level of respect, I'd say.
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
They don't? You do realize that at one point in the war, there were more civilian contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan than military servicemembers, right? Among these contractors were doctors, nurses, lawyers, garbagemen, teachers, computer programmers, and I'm sure some farmers too, though they may have been performing non-agricultural jobs. Why is it that none of the 1,315 civilian contractors who died in Iraq between 2003 and 2009 are honored in the same way as the military servicemembers?

Also, there are areas in places like Los Angeles where paramedics wear Kevlar when they go on runs because the neighborhoods are so dangerous. More people are murdered in an average month in Detroit than are killed in Iraq.

There are plenty of civilian jobs that entail an overall greater degree of risk than deploying to a combat zone. At the peak of the Surge, I did the math and found out that per capita, an American was six times more likely to die in an automobile accident than be killed in Iraq. It would seem our roadways are more dangerous than a combat zone.
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14 years ago

They don't? You do realize that at one point in the war, there were more civilian contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan than military servicemembers, right? Among these contractors were doctors, nurses, lawyers, garbagemen, teachers, computer programmers, and I'm sure some farmers too, though they may have been performing non-agricultural jobs. Why is it that none of the 1,315 civilian contractors who died in Iraq between 2003 and 2009 are honored in the same way as the military servicemembers?

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Please stop being intentionally or negligently vague in the future. You never mentioned civilian contractors in the post I was replying to.

Also, there are areas in places like Los Angeles where paramedics wear Kevlar when they go on runs because the neighborhoods are so dangerous. More people are murdered in an average month in Detroit than are killed in Iraq.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Again, you never mentioned paramedics.

There are plenty of civilian jobs that entail an overall greater degree of risk than deploying to a combat zone. At the peak of the Surge, I did the math and found out that per capita, an American was six times more likely to die in an automobile accident than be killed in Iraq. It would seem our roadways are more dangerous than a combat zone.

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You act as if death is the only danger someone in a combat zone needs to deal with. Psychological damage, years away from family in a foreign country, serious injury...
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