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14 years ago
It's been 12 hours so we can be critical now :)

What on earth was going on with the backshoulder passes last night? ESPN was showing the Rodgers interview as he was addressing that specific question, but then cut away because lord burt was talking.

The wrs/aaron weren't just a little off, they were MILES off on those throws last night. Typically, if it was a mistake by the wr, you see aaron showing more emotion and yelling at his wrs, which leads me to believe he just threw some ducks out there.
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14 years ago
Yeah, what the hell was up with that!
I was really questioning Rodgers but maybe it was the recievers.
At anyrate being the QB Rodgers was the one who came off looking really bad.
Had the Packers lost I think this would have turned into a bigger deal than it will be.
Hopefully they get that aspect of the game straightened out.
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It was weird. I kept thinking, which of these QBs didn't attend training camp? It must've been mostly Aaron's fault, because it happened with several different receivers.

I think they've become overly reliant on those back shoulder throws this year. I've always liked those plays, but they shouldn't be run so often because they rely on an element of surprise. They were lucky that none of those throws were picked off last night. One of them got picked off against the Lions.
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14 years ago
They weren't ducks as they had tight spirals. Aaron and the receivers were not on the same page. On a lot of those back shoulder throws the receivers never stopped. Clearly Rodgers thought they were stopping and the receivers thought they had fly routes. I tend to agree with Greg that Rodgers was probably off because these issues happened with Jennings, Jones, and Jordy. The common factor was Rodgers. It was one of the few consistently disappointing aspects of last night and it's something that probably kept us from scoring a few more times.
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MassPackersFan
14 years ago
I'm sure it's a matter of how the defender is playing his coverage and what type of coverage there is by the safeties. Sort of an option route, either go or do the back shoulder. They just weren't seeing the same thing. It's the only time it has happened like this all season so I'm assuming the Vikings were doing something to confuse either Rodgers or the WRs.

Regardless, it's something they have to correct.
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I'm sure it's a matter of how the defender is playing his coverage and what type of coverage there is by the safeties. Sort of an option route, either go or do the back shoulder. They just weren't seeing the same thing. It's the only time it has happened like this all season so I'm assuming the Vikings were doing something to confuse either Rodgers or the WRs.

Regardless, it's something they have to correct.

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Thats what it is. They are option routes based on the defense. The only problem with this design is the WR and QB always have to be reading the defense the same way, or we get the results we saw last night. It's going to be pretty hard to determine who had the faulty reads without going back to watch the game film. I really don't care who is to blame, I just want this mistakes to few and far between.
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14 years ago
You guys aren't going to get perfection from a QB. Ever.

The highest pass completion % in a season is 70.6% and that was done by both Drew Brees and Ken Anderson. I don't remember whether or not 100% was ever done in a game.

I noticed four or five of them. They were uncatchable by everyone, including (and especially including) the defense. It's not like those were wobbly balls that were catchable by the defender. They were tight spirals that went far out of bounds.

Good. If you're not going to complete a pass, make sure the defender doesn't have a shot at it either.

I really don't see the purpose of dissecting these. I see it as an anomaly, but one that didn't hurt us.

This is something that will be discussed in practice and it's more than likely a freak occurrence. I don't think it's something to be overly concerned about.
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Even if the correct route was ran on most throws, the balls were completely off target.

It was strange seeing Rodgers and his receivers so off last night. They were never really on the same page.
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14 years ago

You guys aren't going to get perfection from a QB. Ever.
The highest pass completion % in a season is 70.6% and that was done by both Drew Brees and Ken Anderson. I don't remember whether or not 100% was ever done in a game.

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The throws I'm referencing had nothing to do with accuracy, more being on the same page with the WRs as others have alluded to with reading the defense.

On 5 or so throws Rodgers obviously wanted to throw a back sholder pass, and not once did the wr read the same route. It's a curiosity in communication, not accuracy that I'm inquiring about.
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14 years ago
I think it was Rodgers. Besides the throws they were calling back shoulder, that were no where close. There were others that were just uncatchable. The throw to Jordy, they were saying well he stopped. Even if he hadn't that ball was no place close to where Jordy would even have a chance.

Rodgers is making bad throws, and has for many games. Not terrible overall, but not what we expect.
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they were more like throw aways after all the receivers broke routes in which he had no idea what they were doing. would've been too risky to try to complete one at that point.
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14 years ago
It looked to me as though Rodgers was trying to rein in the receivers -- return this offense to something resembling a West Coast Offense, while the receivers were intent on breaking it deep, which is what they've been accustomed to lately.
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14 years ago
If the players keep screwing up a play the coach should stop calling it.

There are plenty of other plays in the playbook.

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But he didn't get his ass kicked in all night waiting for slow developing plays. I would have like to run up the scoreboard too, but Aaron's been hit enough this year and we are not even half way home.
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14 years ago
Excellent point, DakotaT. I'd rather he give up a few incompletions here and there than take body shots.
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all_about_da_packers
14 years ago
Interesting comments that I saw in an article, where Aaron mentioned this year they've gotten looks they are not accustomed to getting, but he quickly says that is to be expected since teams have 2 years of film on them.

Aaron commented that the Vikings were playing more man-to-man, which is a bit unusual given their traditional Cover-2 roots. Maybe that was throwing the WRs off, where Aaron thought the WRs might come back (to take advantage of opponents' backs to the ball) and they (like NSD said) went with a deeper route (what you'd normally expect them to do in a more traditional [zone] Cover-2 scheme)
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14 years ago

If the players keep screwing up a play the coach should stop calling it.

There are plenty of other plays in the playbook.

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I hope you are not somehow blaming this on McCarthy.

Clearly in football games, WRs are expected to adjust their routes depending on what coverage they are getting, what their QB is doing, etc.

For all we know, the WRs and Aaron never got on the same page as to how to deal with the different coverages.
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14 years ago

It's been 12 hours so we can be critical now :)

"musccy" wrote:



I am sure the request was 24 hours. Not 12 hours. But you could not wait could you? You people fricken amaze me.

If some people did not have the opportunity to bitch and complain about something they would be lost. Misery loves company. If fact misery demands company.

Take a freaking look at the best of the best QB's and team expectations going into this season. Serious? List them. I know you all can do it.

Now compare them all to Aaron Rodgers, and add in the injuries he and this team has had to deal with.

I think the Cowboys fans would be thrilled to bitching about off back shoulder throws in one single game they played today.

It is almost not worth taking the time to log on here anymore, it is a room filled with too many spoiled brat's who just want to bitch about what ever they can.
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It's been 12 hours so we can be critical now :)

"RaiderPride" wrote:



I am sure the request was 24 hours. Not 12 hours. But you could not wait could you? You people fricken amaze me.

If some people did not have the opportunity to bitch and complain about something they would be lost. Misery loves company. If fact misery demands company.

Take a freaking look at the best of the best QB's and team expectations going into this season. Serious? List them. I know you all can do it.

Now compare them all to Aaron Rodgers, and add in the injuries he and this team has had to deal with.

I think the Cowboys fans would be thrilled to bitching about off back shoulder throws in one single game they played today.

It is almost not worth taking the time to log on here anymore, it is a room filled with too many spoiled brat's who just want to bitch about what ever they can.

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You realize that you're actually bitching yourself right now, right?
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14 years ago
My guess is he wasn't on the same page because he's been so used to throwing to Finley.
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