Zero2Cool
14 years ago
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/10/25/vikes.packers.insider/index.html#ixzz13OaXW2IL 


1. Brett Favre's three interceptions against the Packers were pivotal to the Minnesota loss and are sure to reignite the debate about whether he and Vikings head coach Brad Childress are on the same page -- and capable of once again working through their well-known differences. After moving heaven and earth to get Favre back to Minnesota this summer, Childress pointed the finger of blame right at his 41-year-old quarterback in the wake of Sunday's loss, which dropped his team to 2-4, matching its loss total from last season.

When asked about Favre's three second-half interceptions, one of which was returned 32 yards for a touchdown by middle linebacker Desmond Bishop for the eventual winning points, Childress was blunt.

"It still goes back to taking care of the football,'' he said in his postgame session with the media. "You can't throw it to them. They have to play within the confines of our system. You can't give seven points going the other way. Not in a game like this.''

Favre's three picks came in a span of seven of his 29 passes, and led directly to 14 Packers points. Childress was asked if Favre forced those passes.

"Yeah, the one to Bishop,'' he said. "I'd have to look at that, cause I'd like to know where we're going with the football, because I believe the play was designed to go to the other side and I think Percy's (Harvin) standing there in big air. So not sure why we're looking at the left-hand side.''

Favre appeared to reinjure his surgically repaired left ankle on the play on which he threw his first interception, to Packers linebacker A.J. Hawk, early in the third quarter. Green Bay linebacker Brad Jones hit Favre on the play, forcing a hurried throw that went behind receiver Bernard Berrian.

Childress admitted he considered yanking Favre from the game after his second interception, which came just four minutes after the first and gave Green Bay a 28-17 lead it would not relinquish.

"I did have a thought about it, yes,'' Childress said. "I was going to give him that next series and he took us down the field (and threw a four-yard touchdown pass to Randy Moss to cut the score to 28-24).''

With the Vikings' season now in dire straits and facing the potential to get worse with next week's challenging trip to 5-1 New England, the stress points between Childress and Favre that were largely papered over last season appear to re-emerging. And this time, if the losing continues in Minnesota, the differences might become more exposed, as the team's playoff chances dwindle.

2. With the Patriots game looming, Favre's health may again be a week-long topic. After the game, Favre was limping quite noticeably on his sore left ankle, and he braced himself with both hands when climbing down off the platform after his postgame media session.

Of course, we've seen Favre struggling to walk normally plenty of times in a postgame setting, but he continues to answer the bell every game; and next week would represent his NFL record 292nd consecutive regular-season start, if he's in the lineup.

Favre indicated he would use good judgment in determining whether he could take part against New England, and there seemed to be some building speculation late Sunday night that his ankle could be serious enough to actually threaten his playing streak.

"Who knows?'' said Favre, when asked if he thought he could play next week. "I hope I do. If I can play but not be effective, then it's not worth playing. I hope I use good judgment. So we'll see. I'm no spring chicken any more. I don't heal as quickly.''

Just two weeks ago, the injury story was Favre's throwing elbow, which was suffering from a case of tendinitis. But he played through that in a loss to the Jets and a win last week against Dallas, and the elbow has seemingly settled down.

3. Favre wasn't even Childress's top target in the postgame setting. The Vikings coach wasn't thrilled with the zebras, either, taking to his team's KFAN radio wrap-up to call the loss to Green Bay the "worst game of officiating I've ever seen.''

The Vikings had three touchdowns taken off the board by replay reviews, but two were clear-cut cases of receiver Percy Harvin having stepped out of bounds -- once on a second-quarter run of 13 yards, and once on the apparent game-winning touchdown catch of 35 yards with 48 seconds left to play.

But the call that got Childress's blood boiling was a reversal of a 17-yard Visanthe Shiancoe touchdown pass with 4:51 left in the first half. The play was called a touchdown, but the Packers challenged the ruling and it was overturned when replays seemed to show the Minnesota tight end using the ground to help secure possession. At least in the estimation of referee Scott Green. The Vikings eventually got a 28-yard Ryan Longwell field goal out of the drive to lead 17-14, but in a four-point loss, the missing points proved crucial.

"It's hard when they take touchdowns off the board,'' Childress said. "I must not understand a catch in the end zone for them to take Shiancoe's off the board. That's not the way it's taught, that's not the way we're told. That's wrong. That's wrong. They said he didn't control it and he controlled it. If the litmus test is 50 drunks in a bar, those 50 drunks say that's a catch.''

Who knows exactly what constitutes a legal catch in the NFL anymore, but Childress's rant is likely to earn him some kind of fine from the league office. The coach went on to tell KFAN that Green "came over and apologized to me for not calling a hold on the scramble by (Packers quarterback Aaron) Rodgers. And I'll tell you what, that's his job. Protect the quarterback and look at the left tackle. Look at the left tackle hold his tail off.''

4. Don't let anyone kid you, Sunday night's outcome was huge for the Packers, and even bigger for Aaron Rodgers. Fairly or not, Rodgers was going to be judged harshly if he didn't own at least one head-to-head win over the Favre-led Vikings. Not that you're going to get Rodgers to ever admit beating No. 4 was on his bucket list.

"It wasn't important just because it's Minnesota,'' Packers left guard Daryn Colledge told me. "I know it's big for the fans, it's big for Lambeau, and this is big for [No.] 12. We know he wanted this win. This was big for him. I'll keep what Aaron said personal and between us, but he's extremely excited.''

Rodgers and the Packers lost both of their meetings with Favre and the Vikings last season, with his predecessor in Green Bay having a pair of stellar games in the revenge-laden settings. With this likely Favre's last game in Lambeau (I know, bold words), it was important for both the Packers' season and Rodgers' peace of mind to take care of business Sunday night.

"As a team, we needed this win more than anything, because we need to take a step forward and get the season turned around,'' Colledge said. "We can use this tonight and build upon it and get back to being the team we can be. As for Aaron, his career won't be defined by No. 4 and it won't be defined by the victories he has against him. He's a extremely talented player and he's going to take this team to great places. But [replacing Favre] is always going to be a challenge and that's why tonight was a big win for him.''

Rodgers wasn't perfect, but he outplayed Favre. Rodgers completed 21 of 34 passes for 295 yards (a career-high 166 in the first quarter), with two touchdowns and two interceptions and an 84.8 passer rating. Favre was 16 of 29 for 212 yards, with one touchdown, three interceptions and a 50.4 rating.

"He's a humble guy, but he wanted this,'' Packers safety Nick Collins said of Rodgers. "Everybody wanted this, not just him. He might have had a little edge over everybody else, but everybody wanted it. This was the first time we were able to get a win over the old No. 4.''

For his part, Rodgers wouldn't give much ground in terms of his competition with Favre. It will remain largely unspoken, but his teammates realize their starting quarterback cleared an important hurdle Sunday night in distancing himself from Favre's legacy in Green Bay.

"It really wasn't on my mind so much,'' Rodgers said. "It's obviously something the media has talked about a lot and brought to my attention, so I guess maybe we can stop with some of that a little bit.''

5. If Green Bay goes on to live up to its Super Bowl expectations, the win over Minnesota could be viewed in retrospect as a key turning point. Getting to 4-3 with the win, the Packers not only tied the slumping Bears for first place in the NFC North, but also pulled 1 games ahead of Minnesota (2-4). With the Vikings and Bears losing on Sunday, and Detroit having its bye, Green Bay gained ground on the entire division.

"When you're 3-3, you're at a crossroads as a team and for the season,'' Packers second-year linebacker Brad Jones said. "But you get the win and get over .500, and it pushes the team in the right direction. Kind of like last year, when we were 4-4 and then we won seven of our last eight. That's what we want to see again.''

I'm not sure Green Bay is about to go on that kind of run, because next week brings a trip to the Jets, who are 5-1 and will be coming off their Week 7 bye rested and primed for a home game against one of the NFC's better teams. But the Packers have a Week 9 Sunday night home game against struggling Dallas, and then a Week 10 bye; so if they can steal one against New York, a winning streak could build.

"This team's always played well when its back is against the wall, and we did that again tonight,'' Colledge said. "We took some punches and we found a way to win in the end, and that's important. I don't want them all to be that close every week. I don't need that, and my heart doesn't need that. But we need wins, and we need to use this as a springboard to be the playoff team we know we can be.''


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bboystyle (now) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (9m) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (30m) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
beast (38m) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?
packerfanoutwest (50m) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans
Zero2Cool (1h) : I see what you did there Mucky
Zero2Cool (1h) : dammit. 3:25pm
Zero2Cool (1h) : Packers Vikings flexed to 3:35pm
Mucky Tundra (1h) : Upon receiving the news about Luke Musgrave, I immediately fell to the ground
Mucky Tundra (1h) : Yeah baby!
Zero2Cool (2h) : LUKE MUSGRAVE PLAYING TONIGHT~!~~~~WOWHOAAOHAOAA yah
Zero2Cool (3h) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.
beast (3h) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue
Zero2Cool (4h) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's
Zero2Cool (4h) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.
packerfanoutwest (4h) : ok I stand corrected
Zero2Cool (4h) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th
Zero2Cool (4h) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?
beast (4h) : Saying no to the 6th lock.
beast (4h) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out
Zero2Cool (4h) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.
beast (4h) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games
beast (4h) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality
beast (4h) : We already have told you... if Packers lose all their games (they won't, but if they did), and Buccaneers and Falcons win all theirs
Zero2Cool (4h) : I posted it in that Packers and 1 seed thread
Zero2Cool (4h) : I literally just said it.
packerfanoutwest (4h) : show us a scenario where Pack don't get in? bet you can't
Zero2Cool (4h) : Falcons, Buccaneers would need to win final two games.
Zero2Cool (4h) : Yes, if they win one of three, they are lock. If they lose out, they can be eliminated.
packerfanoutwest (4h) : as I just said,,gtheyh are in no matter what
Zero2Cool (4h) : Packers should get in. I just hope it's not 7th seed. Feels dirty.
packerfanoutwest (5h) : If packers lose out, no matter what, they are in
packerfanoutwest (5h) : both teams can not male the playoffs....falcon hold the tie breaker
packerfanoutwest (5h) : if bucs win out they win their division
beast (5h) : Fine, Buccaneers and Falcons can get ahead of us
packerfanoutwest (5h) : falcons are already ahead of us
beast (5h) : Packers will get in
beast (5h) : If Packers lose the rest of their games and Falcons win the rest of theirs, they could pass us... but not gonna happen
packerfanoutwest (5h) : they still are in the playoffs
packerfanoutwest (5h) : If Packers lose the remaining games,,,,at 10-7
Zero2Cool (7h) : We can say it. We don't play.
Mucky Tundra (8h) : But to say they are in is looking past the Saints
Mucky Tundra (8h) : That said, their odds are very favorable with a >99% chance of making the playoffs entering this week's games
Mucky Tundra (8h) : Packers are not in and have not clinched a playoff spot.
buckeyepackfan (9h) : Packers are in, they need to keep winning to improve their seed#.
Mucky Tundra (18h) : Getting help would have been nice, but helping ourselves should always be the plan
beast (18h) : Too bad Seahawks couldn't beat Vikings
bboystyle (18h) : We just need to win Monday night and were in
Mucky Tundra (21h) : Or ties, but let's be real here
Mucky Tundra (21h) : Other scenario was Falcons+Rams losses
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