Pack93z
14 years ago
Whether he is being coached or not on how to say it doesn't mean it didn't hurt like hell.. there is no defense for the assholes.. none.

Sorry.. but not every victim is drawing a false charge.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
No, there is no defense. And I never said I thought this guy was faking. I was just urging a withholding of judgment until more details emerged. As it stands now, it looks pretty damning. Of course, most people were convinced the Duke boys were guilty for almost a year until the truth came out too. So I'll wait for the trial before I make up my mind. As disturbing as it sounds, there have been accusers in the past who buggered themselves to give their stories credibility.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

UW-L students accused of assault plead not guilty
 

By ANNE JUNGEN | ajungen@lacrossetribune.com | Posted: Friday, October 15, 2010 12:00 am

He was pinned to a dorm room floor by someone he considered a friend, he said, while another yanked down his pants. Then came excruciating pain.

I didnt know what was happening, a former University of Wisconsin-La Crosse freshman testified Thursday.

UW-L freshman Brayden Wienke is accused of restraining the 18-year-old in a Sanford Hall room about 2:30 p.m. Sept. 27 while fellow student Casey Gudis sodomized him with a lint roller handle, according to court records.
Gudis, 18, and Wienke, 19, pleaded not guilty Thursday to first-degree sexual assault during their preliminary hearing in La Crosse County Circuit Court. Wienke is charged as party to the crime.

La Crosse County District Attorney Tim Gruenke made an unusual request at the start the hearing to close the courtroom to anyone other than family members. About 15 people left.

The victim testified Wienke earlier in the afternoon had threatened an anal assault after the victim tossed playing cards at him.

He was attacked in front of three other students, who laughed during the incident, after he reached for a Nerf gun.

Wienke said, Now I got back at you for throwing cards, the victim said.

The student also testified he was subjected to verbal and physical abuse and that Wienke told him no one would care if he left the university.
The victim no longer is a student, while Gudis and Wienke are on emergency suspension.

Gudis, of Ladysmith, Wis., and Wienke, of Clear Lake, Wis., return to court Jan. 6 for status conferences.



How the hell are the three students who stood around and laughed not also being charged with a crime? In many jurisdictions, failing to take action to prevent a sexual assault is itself a crime. Apparently not in Wisconsin.

At the very least, those three assholes should be expelled too.
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Porforis
14 years ago

How the hell are the three students who stood around and laughed not also being charged with a crime? In many jurisdictions, failing to take action to prevent a sexual assault is itself a crime. Apparently not in Wisconsin.

At the very least, those three assholes should be expelled too.

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That's terrible. Wonder if civil action could still be taken against them.
Packers_Finland
14 years ago
The bystanders are assholes, but I think there is nothing to punish them for. They did absolutely nothing. It doesn't make sense that that is a crime. It is a MORAL crime though.

Those dudes deserve whatever punishment they get. If you're 18 or 19 years old you are at the point where you are responisble for your actions. Jail time.
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Porforis
14 years ago

The bystanders are assholes, but I think there is nothing to punish them for. They did absolutely nothing.

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That's the problem. It's a moral issue, but you can't tell me there's no way it can be a legal issue to have the ability to stop a crime in progress, but to fail to intervene or at least report it. Knowingly, willingly.
Packers_Finland
14 years ago

The bystanders are assholes, but I think there is nothing to punish them for. They did absolutely nothing.

"Porforis" wrote:



That's the problem. It's a moral issue, but you can't tell me there's no way it can be a legal issue to have the ability to stop a crime in progress, but to fail to intervene or at least report it. Knowingly, willingly.

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But what if the violators are huge dudes who have 30 pounds more of muscle than you. Is it still a requirement you intervene? You might find yourself in the same spot as the guy they are "handling" at the moment. That's why I don't think it can be written down in law.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Ah, but if they assault you, and you are injured, you can probably sue for damages.

This is something that baffles me about sexual harassment. There is no requirement to tell the harasser to stop -- or even to warn that the behavior is unacceptable -- before reporting it. One can literally overhear a conversation to which one is not even a party and report it as sexual harassment if one feels offended. I think one should be required by law to give reasonable notice that the behavior is unwelcome or offensive and request that the offender cease his activities before one can report said behavior. Because one can find oneself charged with harassment for behavior one had no idea was problematic.

But people say that we can't codify such a requirement because the victim might not feel comfortable confronting the offender. So take someone you trust with you when confronting the perpetrator. But what if that person takes a swing at the victim or otherwise retaliates? My answer: GREAT! Then they've just committed an actual crime, plus you can sue their pants off! If someone were sexually harassing me, I'd want them to take a swing at me, especially if I had witnesses, because then I'd be virtually guaranteed of putting them in jail plus I'd be making money on the deal.

I still think there should be consequences for what these bystanders did (or failed to do). At the very least they should have reported the crime. This young man should not have had to do that himself.
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Porforis
14 years ago

The bystanders are assholes, but I think there is nothing to punish them for. They did absolutely nothing.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



That's the problem. It's a moral issue, but you can't tell me there's no way it can be a legal issue to have the ability to stop a crime in progress, but to fail to intervene or at least report it. Knowingly, willingly.

"Porforis" wrote:



But what if the violators are huge dudes who have 30 pounds more of muscle than you. Is it still a requirement you intervene? You might find yourself in the same spot as the guy they are "handling" at the moment. That's why I don't think it can be written down in law.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



That's precisely why I also said "or at least report it". They're certainly capable of leaving and calling the police. Actually, isn't failure to report a crime a crime?
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
In some jurisdictions, yes. Apparently not here.
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