zombieslayer
14 years ago
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Johnson
14 years ago

first, steveretard...+1, hell +2!

second - johnson, "You keep blaming the players when you don't hold their leader to task." Who the hell is on the field? Mike McCarthy or the players? Are the adult multi-millionaires who have been playing this game for 15-25 years accountable for anything?

Some of this stuff, like a false start is about counting. Lets hire Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street to coach them how to count to 4 because apparently Mike McCarthy can't do that effectively!

The team lost their cool and couldn't handle a pressure situation last night. That sucks, but you learn more from losing than winning and shitty games happen. Didn't the lowly 'fins get their first win against the SB-bound patriots late in the season about 5 years ago on a monday night? I'm more concerned about the team evolving than I am with one awful game...if penalties and not going for the kill become a trend this season, I'll join many others on the Mike McCarthy fingerpointing bandwagon.

"warhawk" wrote:



My statement stands. Mike McCarthy as the head coach is responible (ultimately) for penalties. That's first grade primer stuff; if you don't understand this then you don't understand the NFL and accountability.

"Johnson" wrote:



Clifton and Tauscher would go entire YEARS without a holding call. They know the deal and the coaches coach it and emphasis it. What do you think they are doing in the spring and in the voluntary and mandatory camps? Working on basics. Emphasizing technigue. You place an awful lot of accountibility on McCarthy here but where is the accountability for the players? McCarthy is a back-to-basics coach. Every time they hit a rough patch he announces "we're going back to the basics" and people here moan "is that all he can come up with?" Yet that normally is followed by a win streak.


You smash McCarthy as an OC and yet he produces offenses very near the top every year. I've had to say this a hundred times to guys like you and that is Mike McCarthy would get hired as not only an OC but as a HC before you could finish your first cup of coffee after he was let go.

Of course everyone here should just forget the fact that Rodgers LEARNED under Mike McCarthy, thrives in his system, and Mike McCarthy sets the offense up to make Rodgers as successful as he can be.

There's 25+ teams out there that would take the Rodgers/McCarthy combination in a heartbeat and all you do is bitch so go ahead and bitch because McCarthy ain't going nowhere. We'll see how far you have to stretch it when they start peeling off another long string of wins, which by the way, is historically another McCarthy-led team trait largely due to the fact he doesn't panic and start throwing players off the bus after one lousy game.

"musccy" wrote:



We'll see. Personally, I consider outlooks like yours to be part of the problem in GB right now. Satisfied with the Status Quo and not demanding the Final Push to the Big Dance. Winning the division doesn't cut it with me. Sorry if I pissed you off man.
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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago

first, steveretard...+1, hell +2!

second - johnson, "You keep blaming the players when you don't hold their leader to task." Who the hell is on the field? Mike McCarthy or the players? Are the adult multi-millionaires who have been playing this game for 15-25 years accountable for anything?

Some of this stuff, like a false start is about counting. Lets hire Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street to coach them how to count to 4 because apparently Mike McCarthy can't do that effectively!

The team lost their cool and couldn't handle a pressure situation last night. That sucks, but you learn more from losing than winning and shitty games happen. Didn't the lowly 'fins get their first win against the SB-bound patriots late in the season about 5 years ago on a monday night? I'm more concerned about the team evolving than I am with one awful game...if penalties and not going for the kill become a trend this season, I'll join many others on the Mike McCarthy fingerpointing bandwagon.

"Johnson" wrote:



My statement stands. Mike McCarthy as the head coach is responible (ultimately) for penalties. That's first grade primer stuff; if you don't understand this then you don't understand the NFL and accountability.

"warhawk" wrote:



Clifton and Tauscher would go entire YEARS without a holding call. They know the deal and the coaches coach it and emphasis it. What do you think they are doing in the spring and in the voluntary and mandatory camps? Working on basics. Emphasizing technigue. You place an awful lot of accountibility on McCarthy here but where is the accountability for the players? McCarthy is a back-to-basics coach. Every time they hit a rough patch he announces "we're going back to the basics" and people here moan "is that all he can come up with?" Yet that normally is followed by a win streak.


You smash McCarthy as an OC and yet he produces offenses very near the top every year. I've had to say this a hundred times to guys like you and that is Mike McCarthy would get hired as not only an OC but as a HC before you could finish your first cup of coffee after he was let go.

Of course everyone here should just forget the fact that Rodgers LEARNED under Mike McCarthy, thrives in his system, and Mike McCarthy sets the offense up to make Rodgers as successful as he can be.

There's 25+ teams out there that would take the Rodgers/McCarthy combination in a heartbeat and all you do is bitch so go ahead and bitch because McCarthy ain't going nowhere. We'll see how far you have to stretch it when they start peeling off another long string of wins, which by the way, is historically another McCarthy-led team trait largely due to the fact he doesn't panic and start throwing players off the bus after one lousy game.

"Johnson" wrote:



We'll see. Personally, I consider outlooks like yours to be part of the problem in GB right now. Satisfied with the Status Quo and not demanding the Final Push to the Big Dance. Winning the division doesn't cut it with me. Sorry if I pissed you off man.

"musccy" wrote:



Sorry if I am sticking my nose in, but I don't see how jumping on a poster in a forum is going to get us to a Super Bowl. It seems to me like all you really accomplish is annoying other fans. I am sure MM is not shaking in his boots hoping you don't drop a sternly worded post on him. Conversely, he isn't looking a the previous post saying, "Thank God, my job is safe and I don't have to improve because some poster on a forum doesn't think the Packers suck".
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Chutzpah515
14 years ago
Clearly it's not the Head Coach's job to address reoccurring shortcomings in his team. With an 11-5 season,a playoff loss, and a top "ranked" offense, mm is ready for the Hall of Fame.
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Tezzy
14 years ago

For low budget movies, dead dudes usually get a lunch and that's it. Wax would be considerably more expensive.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



As weird as that seems it makes complete sense. Labor is cheap in the US. It's a nice luxury for business here. Working for manufacturing for 5 years I learned quickly that assembly lines in the US versus Denmark/Germany/Poland all drastically different because of labor costs.
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Tezzy
14 years ago

Clearly it's not the Head Coach's job to address reoccurring shortcomings in his team. With an 11-5 season,a playoff loss, and a top "ranked" offense, Mike McCarthy is ready for the Hall of Fame.

"Chutzpah515" wrote:



1. Accountability of the Head Coach to address the matter. Check.
2. Responsibility of the players to not make the mistakes. Too be determined.
3. I consider a 4th ranked offense comapred to the rest of the league a top ranked offense, no quotes needed. Just curious what thoughts were for why the offense is so stale yet remarkeably high compared to the leasgue? Honest question, is it the perception, the eye test, of the offense that is off-putting? or some collection of stats that make it appear to be stale?
4. There's a fictional game called "Jump To Conclusions" from the movie Office Space, I'd be happy to actually make you a mat and send it your way. I don't believe anyone in here has claimed MM HoF material. I know you are being extreme and sarcastic, but whatever.
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Chutzpah515
14 years ago

4. There's a fictional game called "Jump To Conclusions" from the movie Office Space, I'd be happy to actually make you a mat and send it your way.

"Tezzy" wrote:



lol, I love Office Space! I almost want to take you up on that offer.
+1 and your avatar is hilarious too...

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Honest question, is it the perception, the eye test, of the offense that is off-putting?

"Tezzy" wrote:



Honestly, yes, in some ways...This year the offense looks slow and lacks rhythm. I believed the lack of tempo on offense may have resulted, in part, from Mike McCarthy play selection. However I know little about NFL offense, as pointed out by many commenting on this thread.

Rodgers for a while looked like a choke artist and still seemed to be off last week. The MVP/Superbowl hype has clearly gotten into his head and continues to effect his play. Rodgers is McCarthy's (for lack of a better term)"project." His relative inability to get Rodgers out of his current funk, to me, is a perfect example of the man's inability as a Head Coach in the NFL.

I never intended to be the extremist in an endless debate. I was just confused as to why a topped ranked offensive unit could look so consistently lethargic on the field and was asking for opinions on the matter.

I have never liked the Mike McCarthy persona and doubt the man has all the skill required of a Superbowl-winning coach. I would love to be wrong. I wasn't looking for debate on weather the offense was one of the best in the league. I was questioning weather the offense was playing to its ability and weather or not Mike McCarthy should be given free reign over that offense. (I realize now, I worded my comments too strongly after a tough loss.)

I am not a Mike McCarthy fan (and therefore deeply biased) but I don't understand why he is given so much blind approbation, when he has yet to produce more than two winning seasons.
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evad04
14 years ago
DId anything in the above post change? Why was it bumped?
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Johnson
14 years ago

first, steveretard...+1, hell +2!

second - johnson, "You keep blaming the players when you don't hold their leader to task." Who the hell is on the field? Mike McCarthy or the players? Are the adult multi-millionaires who have been playing this game for 15-25 years accountable for anything?

Some of this stuff, like a false start is about counting. Lets hire Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street to coach them how to count to 4 because apparently Mike McCarthy can't do that effectively!

The team lost their cool and couldn't handle a pressure situation last night. That sucks, but you learn more from losing than winning and shitty games happen. Didn't the lowly 'fins get their first win against the SB-bound patriots late in the season about 5 years ago on a monday night? I'm more concerned about the team evolving than I am with one awful game...if penalties and not going for the kill become a trend this season, I'll join many others on the Mike McCarthy fingerpointing bandwagon.

"Tezzy" wrote:



My statement stands. Mike McCarthy as the head coach is responible (ultimately) for penalties. That's first grade primer stuff; if you don't understand this then you don't understand the NFL and accountability.

"Johnson" wrote:



A head coach is ultimately accountable for anything bad that is happening to a team, apparently you should have stayed in that first grade primer longer to learn the entire lesson. But the players are responsible for their actions, including those that cause penalties. Accountable and responsible are two different things. That's first year MBA primer stuff.

"musccy" wrote:



If that's the case, why is it always the head coach or GM who ultimately gets fired for recurring errors by the players? Look at Detroit. They had unexplainable patience with Matt Millen, yet in the end he lost his post due to the multiple error's of the players on the field. And several head coaches he hired along the way got canned too. If a coach is not responsible for his players actions, just why is he there in the first place? What is he being paid for?
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

It's not easy for an actor to stay dead through 8 cuts.

"zombieslayer" wrote:

or not twitch when kicked.
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