first, steveretard...+1, hell +2!
second - johnson, "You keep blaming the players when you don't hold their leader to task." Who the hell is on the field? Mike McCarthy or the players? Are the adult multi-millionaires who have been playing this game for 15-25 years accountable for anything?
Some of this stuff, like a false start is about counting. Lets hire Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street to coach them how to count to 4 because apparently Mike McCarthy can't do that effectively!
The team lost their cool and couldn't handle a pressure situation last night. That sucks, but you learn more from losing than winning and shitty games happen. Didn't the lowly 'fins get their first win against the SB-bound patriots late in the season about 5 years ago on a monday night? I'm more concerned about the team evolving than I am with one awful game...if penalties and not going for the kill become a trend this season, I'll join many others on the Mike McCarthy fingerpointing bandwagon.
"Johnson" wrote:
My statement stands. Mike McCarthy as the head coach is responible (ultimately) for penalties. That's first grade primer stuff; if you don't understand this then you don't understand the NFL and accountability.
"Tezzy" wrote:
A head coach is ultimately accountable for anything bad that is happening to a team, apparently you should have stayed in that first grade primer longer to learn the entire lesson. But the players are responsible for their actions, including those that cause penalties. Accountable and responsible are two different things. That's first year MBA primer stuff.
"Johnson" wrote:
If that's the case, why is it always the head coach or GM who ultimately gets fired for recurring errors by the players? Look at Detroit. They had unexplainable patience with Matt Millen, yet in the end he lost his post due to the multiple error's of the players on the field. And several head coaches he hired along the way got canned too. If a coach is not responsible for his players actions, just why is he there in the first place? What is he being paid for?
"musccy" wrote:
If anything, Detroit is an example that runs contrary to the nonsense you're dishing out here. What's more likely: that the players failed because of several coaches, or the coaches failed because of the players? Why do you think Millen was eventually fired at the end? (A: Because the players blew) Why don't you think any of Millen's players are flourishing elsewhere (A: They blew). So again, is it the coaches or players at fault here?
The simple-minded solution is to always blame everything on the coach, but the players need to be held accountable.
If having one of the league's best offenses in the league isn't enough to show McCarthy's success in Green Bay, I don't know what to tell you. Is he the coach to get us over the hump? I'm not sure yet, but I do think boasting an elite offense year after year definitely helps his case. A coach is most responsible for the scheme he puts in place on his side of the football (offense for McCarthy) and the mentality of his team. From what we've seen of his teams so far, it's that although they are plenty capable of clawing back and always play a competitive game.
If you're going to blame penalties on the coaches, you may as well fire Wade Phillips, Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, Ken Wisenhunt from last year for finishing piss poor in penalties too. Might as well fire Tom Coughlin, Jeff Fisher, and Mike Tomlin too for their 2008 performances.