Finley - The reason they caused so many turnovers is because they had to. They were not a good D last year. They allowed a lot of points.

To make up for giving up points, they had to play aggressively. They had to risk going for INTs and forcing fumbles every chance they got. It was more desperation than solid D.

This year though, their DC thinks that they've improved greatly and their first game showed that either they had, or the Vikings don't know what they're doing yet. It may be the latter, but if it's the former, they're going to be tough to beat.

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They had to lol If a team is good at turning the ball over I do not think they are a bad defense.Although I do not know what u consider a bad defense is.Turning the ball over can change the game for your team and will win you games.Let's look back at the NFC Championship and The Superbowl if they haven't turned the ball over with the AP fumbles and the Interception at the end with farve they would not be in the superbowl you can't say there bad if they turn the ball over.And a turnover by the defense sealed the game for the superbowl.Honestly if you can't turn the ball over you are not considered a good defense.

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A defense is truly ranked by how many points they allow. The Saints were #20.

Remember 1996? We had the #1 O and the #1 D that year. We'll score on you, but you can't score on us. That's what you want as a team ideally.

The Saints on the other hand led the NFL in scoring last year but had to continually either run up the score or play from behind. How many times last year did they enter the 2nd half losing?

Takeaways are nice. Don't get me wrong. Nothing like when Woody or Collins pick off a pass and run it back. But to really measure an effective D, it's how many points they allow. If running against them is like running into a wall, and passing against them yields nothing but sacks and incompletions, you got a good D.

Example - last year's Jets. They allowed only 8 passing TDs the whole freaking year. That's insane. Their problem is whereas they'd allow so few points, their QB couldn't generate any points.

If we had our O last year and the Jets D, we would have won the SB, despite the fact that we generated more takeaways than the Jets did.

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I get what your saying.I just really never thought they were that bad there at least average to me.To a certain extant they would have not got to the Superbowl if they had a bad Defense.But you do make a good point about how many points they did give up.

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