RedSoxExcel
14 years ago
WARNING: We are are WAY too overconfident about the Vikings demise.

Someone can jump on me about being a Favre lover or whatever but I do not understand why people think the Vikings are not going to score a ton.

At the end of the day, they still have Adrian F'n Peterson. You can make fun of his fumbles or whatever, at the end of the day, he's still one of the top THREE b's in the whole league. Plus you combine that with one of the top 5-7 QB's in the league, you have a pretty potent offense.

What is the difference between the beginning of last season and this season? Did everyone expect Sidney Rice to blow up like that? No, so what makes you think this year someone like Harvin or Berrian or Shanicoe or Camarillo or whatever might not do the same.

As much as everyone hates Favre, he makes receivers play well (e.g., Rice and Shanicoe last year). Irregardless of Favre, they have AP! He's hard to stop if he's on.

They won the division two years ago with basically no WRs and no QB!

Quick, someone go nuts because I see the division objectively!
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TOPackerFan
14 years ago

Plus you combine that with one of the top 5-7

"RedSoxExcel" wrote:



This really is the key: i.e. is Favre a top 5 QB anymore? If he plays like he did last year, the answer is a resounding yes, but last year was the exception (based on his history), not the rule. It was his best season ever and expecting a repeat at 40-41 years old, is a huge leap IMO.
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Trippster
14 years ago
Interesting part is the problems they have at O-line. Ifthey don't have that shored up by the first game Favre could be taken out on a stretcher.

New Orleans pummeled him as I have never seen. And untill then, the Minney line was decent in protecting fave. Now with o-line issues AND the NO defense coming after him again (as you know they will since it was so effective in the NFC Game) I see him possibly get put on the shelf for good.

Hope it doesn't happen, but it might.
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Packers_Finland
14 years ago

Irregardless

"RedSoxExcel" wrote:



Irregardless isn't a word.

I had to disagree with you about something.

The Vikings are still as much a favorite to get to the Super Bowl as the Packers.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Yes, the Vikings still have Adrian Peterson, but the Packers have proven they can beat the Vikings with Adrian Peterson. The Packers were either 2-1 or 3-1 (I can't be arsed to look up the numbers again) against the Vikings with Adrian Peterson before the advent of the Brett Favre experiment. The Packers have one of the best run defenses in the league. If the Vikings have to rely on Adrian Peterson to win, I am confident the Packers will prevail, unless Dom Capers turns into a pussy again and retreats back into the prevent defense all game long.
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RedSoxExcel
14 years ago

Since it takes 24 hours to post there if a new member, I tracked guy down on tweeter...and asked the age question about brett

"longtimefan" wrote:



LOL, any response?

"bigfog" wrote:



not yet

http://twitter.com/DailyNorseman 

"longtimefan" wrote:



Maybe the difference between Woodson and Favre is that the CB position is so different than the QB position. CBs have to rely a lot more on speed than the QB, and speed is one of the first things to go with age. I've wondered the same thing about Woodson many times and even posted here about it, I wouldn't be surprised if any one of these years suddenly Woodson dropped off, I thought it was going to happen last year but I was dead wrong. Its happened to CBs just as good as Woodson.

So, I see a big difference between the age issue between Woodson and Favre
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RedSoxExcel
14 years ago

Plus you combine that with one of the top 5-7

"TOPackerFan" wrote:



This really is the key: i.e. is Favre a top 5 QB anymore? If he plays like he did last year, the answer is a resounding yes, but last year was the exception (based on his history), not the rule. It was his best season ever and expecting a repeat at 40-41 years old, is a huge leap IMO.

"RedSoxExcel" wrote:



Even with age and everything, you don't think Favre is a top 5-7 QB in the league right now? Who do you rank ahead of him?

Wasn't putting up his best numbers at 40 a huge leap too last year?
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evad04
14 years ago

Yes, the Vikings still have Adrian Peterson, but the Packers have proven they can beat the Vikings with Adrian Peterson. The Packers were either 2-1 or 3-1 (I can't be arsed to look up the numbers again) against the Vikings with Adrian Peterson before the advent of the Brett Favre experiment. The Packers have one of the best run defenses in the league. If the Vikings have to rely on Adrian Peterson to win, I am confident the Packers will prevail, unless Dom Capers turns into a pussy again and retreats back into the prevent defense all game long.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:


I agree with the premise, but if you go back and watch the games I think you'll find that Favre was as effective (if not more) against the Packers' blitzing as he was against the three-man rushes. Jus' sayin'.

As far as AP -- Green Bay has had success against the Vikes when there isn't a legitimate quarterback. They may have largely stopped AP in the two games last year, but Favre torched them. If Green Bay comes out with a base defense and only seven in the box, AP could get bunches of yards -- which opens up the pass and play action (all stuff you know because you're not stupid).

Best way to beat the Vikes (I think) -- get a two-score lead, make them one dimensional, pressure Favre, and protect the football. Of course, those are ideal situations. Oh, and I think it goes without saying that Rodgers can't hit the turf 15 times in two games.
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RedSoxExcel
14 years ago

Yes, the Vikings still have Adrian Peterson, but the Packers have proven they can beat the Vikings with Adrian Peterson. The Packers were either 2-1 or 3-1 (I can't be arsed to look up the numbers again) against the Vikings with Adrian Peterson before the advent of the Brett Favre experiment. The Packers have one of the best run defenses in the league. If the Vikings have to rely on Adrian Peterson to win, I am confident the Packers will prevail, unless Dom Capers turns into a pussy again and retreats back into the prevent defense all game long.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I just mean when I see all these posts and news articles about the Vikings demise, people keep forgetting to mention the fact that regardless of the issues at WR, they have Adrian F'n Peterson. They won the division two years ago with a whole lot less (no Rice, no Favre, no Harvin, etc.).

Fine, may be the Packers destroy the Vikings with no Favre but AP. But there are a lot of teams that don't have as good of a run D as we do. AP is AP, I wouldn't count on stopping him.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Look at his career trends. He is far more likely to regress after a good year than to repeat his performance two seasons in a row. If I were a betting man, there's no way I'd be putting my money on Favre to repeat this year, especially since he's already whining about his ankle. If he does repeat, great -- it will be a pleasant surprise. But I sure am not risking any money on it.

For the life of me, though, I cannot figure out why he is advertising the problems with his ankle. If he's hoping that talking up his vulnerability will prompt NFL officials to go easy on him, that might work. But I doubt it will provoke defensive coordinators to take pity on him and dial back the pressure (and if it does, shame on them and they need to be fired). Other than a few concessions from officials, I don't see what he has to gain from this tactic.
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