Cheesey
14 years ago
Oh....and it amazes me that the same liberals that want to take away MY rights are the same ones that JUMP to protect these people.
(I don't mean anyone on this site.)
Libearlism and political correctness........both are worthless. They both do more damage then help.

14 years ago
Good job summarizing all of the ignorant fears that the neoconservatives are feeding.
Rockmolder
14 years ago

So....the fact that Muslims often build their mosques around places they "conquered" has NOTHING to do with them wanting to build one at ground zero. O....k.
You believe that???
I'll agree to let them build them where ever the hell they want when they let CHRISTIANS and JEWS build their churches and synagoges in th eir COUNTRIES. You know....without killing them for NOT being Muslim.......or killing Muslims that convert to Christianity.
It amazes me that they come to America, "USE" our laws to protect their "rights"......but in their own lands, they kill anyone that doesn't agree with them.
And people here want to feel sorry for THEM?
How about they build their damn building somewhere else? if they had ANY concern for the people that died at the hands of the radical Muslims that did that horrible act, they never would have tried to put it there in the first place.

But that's just it. They WANT to push it as far as the "dumb Americans" will LET them.
If it was one of MY loved ones that died in the cowardly attack, i'd be out there protesting every day.
But that's just me i guess.

"Cheesey" wrote:



But it's not "they".

Their religion does not make their personality or decide their actions, very much like most Christians live different lifes.

Jeffrey Dahmer was a Christian. I bet Iran is keeping Christianity down because we're all a bunch of serial killers. Maybe the fact that we're all child rapists factors in, as well, as our preachers are showing us.

I like how you're saying that we should keep everyone with a different religion down, because America should only be open to the Christians and (maybe) athiests, but a post later, talk about taking your freedom and rights away.
IronMan
14 years ago
Building a mosque at ground zero is dumb. Why do I say that? Its common sense. That's all.
Rockmolder
14 years ago

Building a mosque at ground zero is dumb. Why do I say that? Its common sense. That's all.

"IronMan" wrote:



It is.

You stir up a lot of crap for absolutely nothing. Just let them build it somewhere else. This won't do anything but keep keep a rift between Islam and western civilization.
14 years ago
Well for one, it's not at Ground Zero. It's a few blocks away, next to fine respectful establishments like adult video stores.
Packers_Finland
14 years ago
I guess Christian churches shouldn't be allowed to be built in Columbine, Colorado then. Why allow christians to build places where they can worship their gods? They're all a bunch of terrorists just like Harris & Klebold showed us. I think it's funny how a random few are enough to judge every people of that particular religion.

Seriously though, it shouldn't go like this. The Muslims shouldn't want to build a mosque near Ground Zero because it would cause a shit soup with people still holding grudge against an entire religion for that. I wouldn't forbid them building it either. At least 99% of the people who go there have nothing to do with terrorism anyway.

How the hell can you judge EVERYONE of the religion over a few random guys?
This is a placeholder
Wade
  • Wade
  • Veteran Member
14 years ago
1. I don't much care what happens in NYC. NYC is as much a different world to me as Syria. And about as important. When I think "America", I think probably 1000 things and 1000 places before NYC comes to mind.
2. Putting a mosque, or anything else, at Ground Zero, is in large part going to be a political statement. Maybe a political statement with good motives, and maybe a political statement with bad motives, but a political statement nonetheless.
3. Those freedoms we're always yammering on about are political freedoms. And they're not just freedoms for political statements with good motives. (If they were, we'd be right in muzzling at least 50 percent of Congressional speech and probably 75% of the media.)
4. And they certainly aren't political freedoms that should be constrained because the majority thinks the motives are bad ones. The Bill of Rights doesn't say "except when the majority says otherwise".

In my mind, the Islamic worldview is dangerous for a couple reasons. I believe it dangerous for its adherents -- because, as a Christian, I believe their beliefs, if unchanged, mean a route other than salvation. I believe it dangerous for the rest of us because it is too easily used for bad, bad stuff.

And neither of those beliefs of mine is relevant here. You don't restrict individuals' practice of religion, or how they decide to associate, or how they speak, just because that religion or association or speech may be dangerous. If you do, that First Amendment means nothing.

Foster's probably going to bash me for being an idealistic philosopher again, I expect. And others probably will decry my blind faith. And he and they'd be right in labeling me as such.

But what people forget is that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are all about idealistic philosophy and stances of faith.

Maybe the US of A can't last if it grants the same freedoms to holders of the Islamic worldview as it does to the rest of us.

But, it seems to me, if it fails to take the chance, it's as good as dead already. Because the principles on which it was founded have already been cast aside.

This I believe.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
14 years ago
Secondly, it's not a mosque. It's a community center with a place for prayer built into it. It would have a damn basketball court and swimming pool, iirc.
IronMan
14 years ago
If you practice christianity in muslim countries, you get killed; but americans are the intolerant ones. Facepalm.
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    packerfanoutwest (11h) : Golden
    beast (11h) : I want DT Derrick Harmon, Oregon
    Mucky Tundra (12h) : And I can't be looking at my phone
    Mucky Tundra (12h) : Hey I'm at work lol
    Zero2Cool (13h) : btw, new site chat won't delete auto like
    Zero2Cool (13h) : because everyone left like wimps
    TheKanataThrilla (14h) : I am wondering if there is some type of autoclear when there isn't activity after a certain amount of time.
    Mucky Tundra (14h) : What happened in the chat? Me and Zero posted a few things earlier and they're all gone
    dfosterf (14h) : 10-15 min bs plus flyover
    dfosterf (14h) : Yes
    Zero2Cool (14h) : 7pm is when this kicks off????
    buckeyepackfan (15h) : I told him. IT'S VONTE MACK , no matter what!
    buckeyepackfan (15h) : He asked me who I thought The Browns were taking.
    buckeyepackfan (15h) : 2. Would of had to wear Browns gear all week. NOPE I'll watch from my living room.
    buckeyepackfan (15h) : He wanted to know if I would go. 2 things, would have had to fly from Detroit to Green Bay. Nope
    buckeyepackfan (15h) : All expense paid trip to the draft. He will be in the Browns section. I told him to say hi to J-10VE for me 😃😃i
    buckeyepackfan (15h) : For a call from my nephew, he won an sllexp
    TheKanataThrilla (22h) : Hope to see everyone in the Chat tonight!!! Go Pack Go!!!
    TheKanataThrilla (22h) : Jeanty would be a great pick-up for the Bears. I see Warren mocked to them as well who I think would be a great selection.
    Zero2Cool (23h) : GameDay Chat is open. Posting bits an tids in there.
    Zero2Cool (23h) : Excellent Source: The Bears have a deal in place to move up to 5 if Jeanty is there.
    Zero2Cool (24-Apr) : Probably not until 10pm will be making pick
    dfosterf (24-Apr) : But it is still not tonight. Lol
    wpr (24-Apr) : Today is finally here.
    dfosterf (24-Apr) : I should have put it in quotes
    dfosterf (24-Apr) : It is the title of a you tube video.
    dfosterf (24-Apr) : I'm not assuming anything
    beast (24-Apr) : If they aren't doing it, then why are you assuming they know how to do it?
    dfosterf (23-Apr) : Mackelvie
    dfosterf (23-Apr) : Michael Macelvie- NFL teams know how to draft- Why don"t they?
    dfosterf (23-Apr) : Youtube
    Zero2Cool (23-Apr) : Packers were not selected for the 2025 Hall of Fame game.
    dfosterf (23-Apr) : PFOW Out of our division would be a good thing imo
    Zero2Cool (23-Apr) : Jameson Williams is done at 24 years old? What? He's a WR, not QB. I'm missing something here haha
    wpr (23-Apr) : Tomorrow is almost here.
    packerfanoutwest (23-Apr) : would you want him if Pack needed a back up qb?
    packerfanoutwest (23-Apr) : JW is done......stick a fork in him
    Zero2Cool (23-Apr) : You should. He goes to AFC that helps Packers.
    packerfanoutwest (23-Apr) : don't care
    Zero2Cool (22-Apr) : Lions shopping Jameson Williams?
    packerfanoutwest (22-Apr) : Packers General Manager Brian Gutekunst says Green Bay’s roster can win, even without adding anyone in the draft.
    Zero2Cool (22-Apr) : It's a poor design. New site has SignalR like our gameday chat
    wpr (22-Apr) : Ah today's Shout was very quick to post.
    wpr (22-Apr) : now 3
    Zero2Cool (22-Apr) : Who? What?
    beast (22-Apr) : What is he supposed to say? He doesn't want players currently on the team?
    Martha Careful (21-Apr) : meh
    Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : Sounds like Walker and Wyatt will be with Packers for beyond 2026
    Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : It's so awesome.
    Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : new site fan shout post fast
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2024 Packers Schedule
    Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
    Eagles
    Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
    COLTS
    Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
    Titans
    Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
    Rams
    Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
    CARDINALS
    Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
    TEXANS
    Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Jaguars
    Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
    Bears
    Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
    49ERS
    Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
    DOLPHINS
    Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
    Lions
    Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
    Seahawks
    Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
    SAINTS
    Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
    Vikings
    Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
    BEARS
    Recent Topics
    6m / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    23m / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    13h / Green Bay Packers Talk / TheKanataThrilla

    20h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    24-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    24-Apr / Packers Draft Threads / wpr

    22-Apr / Random Babble / Martha Careful

    22-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

    17-Apr / Random Babble / wpr

    13-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

    12-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

    11-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Rockmolder

    2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.