Dulak
14 years ago
Im not sold on jones ... and to be honest I wasnt that impressed with him. I think he did well because our other Dline and backers were all better comperatively to jones ie so they would use less defenders on jones.

I know last season he looked too skinny; ie maybe a decent ST guy but not a OLB.

Who knows maybe hell get better ... Im just glad we got 3 UDFA barking at his heels for a job (and I bet we keep one of these guys).
all_about_da_packers
14 years ago

Why would the backlash be any greater than letting him walk in free agency?

"pack93z" wrote:



Coming off the Favre shibacle, I don't know if Ted could've survived trading another beloved player. Besides being an all-pro, great person, and personification of "Packer People", Kampman for the first six weeks was still our most established pass rusher.

CM3 emerged during the latter half of the season, oddly enough after Kampy got injured.

I agree looking back, it seems hard to argue against the suggestion that Kampy should've been traded. But I shudder to think the remarks people would've had for someone like Ted had he gone and traded Kampman, especially after the Favre backlash, not having much of a pass-rush at that point in the season, and being the man who put together a team that had under-performed the first half of the season... I don't think it would've gone over well at all.
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IronMan
14 years ago

Why would the backlash be any greater than letting him walk in free agency?

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:



Coming off the Favre shibacle, I don't know if Ted could've survived trading another beloved player. Besides being an all-pro, great person, and personification of "Packer People", Kampman for the first six weeks was still our most established pass rusher.

CM3 emerged during the latter half of the season, oddly enough after Kampy got injured.

I agree looking back, it seems hard to argue against the suggestion that Kampy should've been traded. But I shudder to think the remarks people would've had for someone like Ted had he gone and traded Kampman, especially after the Favre backlash, not having much of a pass-rush at that point in the season, and being the man who put together a team that had under-performed the first half of the season... I don't think it would've gone over well at all.

"pack93z" wrote:

I don't think Ted refrained from trading Kampman because he was concerned about how fans would react. He does what he thinks is best for the Packers, regardless of what anyone else thinks; which is exactly the way he should go about his business.
Zero2Cool
14 years ago

Why would the backlash be any greater than letting him walk in free agency?

"IronMan" wrote:



Coming off the Favre shibacle, I don't know if Ted could've survived trading another beloved player. Besides being an all-pro, great person, and personification of "Packer People", Kampman for the first six weeks was still our most established pass rusher.

CM3 emerged during the latter half of the season, oddly enough after Kampy got injured.

I agree looking back, it seems hard to argue against the suggestion that Kampy should've been traded. But I shudder to think the remarks people would've had for someone like Ted had he gone and traded Kampman, especially after the Favre backlash, not having much of a pass-rush at that point in the season, and being the man who put together a team that had under-performed the first half of the season... I don't think it would've gone over well at all.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:

I don't think Ted refrained from trading Kampman because he was concerned about how fans would react. He does what he thinks is best for the Packers, regardless of what anyone else thinks; which is exactly the way he should go about his business.

"pack93z" wrote:




I don't think anyone is saying the Packers tried fitting a round peg into a square hole here. I was saying I think it was in the back of the Packers mind ... Kampman is a helluva an athlete, leader and off the field presence lets give him every opportunity to succeed. If he doesn't, we gave him a chance and parted ways on our own terms, collectively.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Who gives a shit what a few whiny, illogical fans would have said? That a player is "beloved" is in no way a reason to trade or not to trade him. The only factor that should be taken into consideration is does the transaction improve the prospects of the team. If it does, you make the trade; if it doesn't, you forbear.

I know there were a number of fans on this board advocating that he be traded. I myself was ambivalent: I saw the advantages of trading him while he was still healthy and had no issue with the idea, but I also saw the potential advantage of showcasing his versatility before trading him. My main concern was always that he might be injured, and that is, unfortunately, what eventually happened.

If concern over fan reaction was what stayed Ted Thompson's hand, then he is a pussy who should be fired forthwith. Somehow I think he has more intestinal fortitude than that, however.
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earthquake
14 years ago
I think something that is often overlooked is there most likely was not any value in trading Kampman last year. He was going into a contract year, so why use a draft pick on him, only to have to fight to try to keep him on the team at the end of the seasons? Not to mention GB wasn't really in a position where they had any leverage, he was pretty universally thought to be a bad fit in the system. So yeah maybe they could have gotten a late round pick for him, but they get the same simply by letting him walk in free agency, surely sticking it out and waiting to see if he would surprise everyone and excel in the system was a lot more valuable than whatever they would have gotten in return for the guy.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
No one said the ONLY reason or a MAJORITY of the reason Kampman was not traded last year was because of the fanbase. Holy shit you dramatic fucks.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago

Who gives a shit what a few whiny, illogical fans would have said? That a player is "beloved" is in no way a reason to trade or not to trade him. The only factor that should be taken into consideration is does the transaction improve the prospects of the team. If it does, you make the trade; if it doesn't, you forbear.

I know there were a number of fans on this board advocating that he be traded. I myself was ambivalent: I saw the advantages of trading him while he was still healthy and had no issue with the idea, but I also saw the potential advantage of showcasing his versatility before trading him. My main concern was always that he might be injured, and that is, unfortunately, what eventually happened.

If concern over fan reaction was what stayed Ted Thompson's hand, then he is a pussy who should be fired forthwith. Somehow I think he has more intestinal fortitude than that, however.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Well, like we've discussed before, you don't have the emotional attachment to players that a lot of us (I'm guessing more than 50% of fans) have.

Yes, a GM shouldn't make decisions based on how fans will react. No argument. I'm just saying that the majority of fans get attached to players. And Kampy was one of our favorites. It's a shame we couldn't figure out a way to make him work in our system.
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