IronMan
14 years ago
Forget about the accusation of rape for a second.

Was there any evidence that he had sex with her? Because he told the police that he did NOT have sex with her.
Pack93z
14 years ago

Forget about the accusation of rape for a second.

Was there any evidence that he had sex with her? Because he told the police that he did NOT have sex with her.

"IronMan" wrote:



Actually the point I argued in the other thread, the facts points to a lie..

The guy is a loser than has to stoop to the clubs to get laid.. whether the other party is willing, drunk, or otherwise.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Pack93z
14 years ago
From his statement... skirting the whole rape deal all together.

"As the District Attorney concluded, the extensive investigatory record shows that you contributed to the irresponsible consumption of alcohol by purchasing (or facilitating the purchase of) alcoholic beverages for underage college students, at least some of whom were likely already intoxicated. There is no question that the excessive consumption of alcohol that evening put the students and yourself at risk. The Personal Conduct Policy also states that discipline is appropriate for conduct that 'undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.' By any measure, your conduct satisfies that standard."

"Goodell" wrote:


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Pack93z
14 years ago

Since he's never been sentenced, I would've thought four to zero games would have been a good punishment.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I agree with this too. The freaking judicial system doesn't punish him, but his employer does? Just what did he do wrong?

I'm not saying he's innocent, but again not saying he's guilty either. With that said, I'm not sure how it's justified that he did something wrong if the court's didn't ... I just don't know.

I don't think the NFL should step in unless there's 100% proof of wrong doing or a conviction.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



He is being disciplined by his employer.. just as any employer can suspend /terminate you with just cause, even if it doesn't break the law.

As the employer, the NFL or Steelers are well within their rights to remove him from active employment if it breaks company policy or brings harm to the employer.

There is no doubt in my mind, guilty or not of a crime, Ben has brought harm to the NFL and the Steelers.

He, like anyone else can appeal this judgment.. I highly doubt that he would because he would risk further details being dragged out.

Why should ballers be any different than any other working citizen?
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
IronMan
14 years ago

Forget about the accusation of rape for a second.

Was there any evidence that he had sex with her? Because he told the police that he did NOT have sex with her.

"pack93z" wrote:



Actually the point I argued in the other thread, the facts points to a lie..

The guy is a loser than has to stoop to the clubs to get laid.. whether the other party is willing, drunk, or otherwise.

"IronMan" wrote:

Yeah if there was evidence that they had sex, and he said they didn't.......not good.
Zero2Cool
14 years ago

From his statement... skirting the whole rape deal all together.

"As the District Attorney concluded, the extensive investigatory record shows that you contributed to the irresponsible consumption of alcohol by purchasing (or facilitating the purchase of) alcoholic beverages for underage college students, at least some of whom were likely already intoxicated. There is no question that the excessive consumption of alcohol that evening put the students and yourself at risk. The Personal Conduct Policy also states that discipline is appropriate for conduct that 'undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.' By any measure, your conduct satisfies that standard."

"pack93z" wrote:

"Goodell" wrote:



I was going to post the same thing (as I just read it myself on another site) about the underage drinking and Ben's hand in it. That would be grounds for suspension for sure.

An employer can not terminate/suspend and employee without a reason. At least, that's been what has been shown in my experience. It's then labeled discrimination. What I've seen happen is reasons conjured up that are ill based and unfounded, which then leads to the employee (err former) getting compensation via unemployment.

If this was solely based on the alleged rape, I think that would send a very very bad message to people and the players. Being accused of something doesn't make you guilty. Remember, innocent until PROVEN guilty. If the NFL were to decide to simply suspend players based on an accusation, imagine the hell that would cause?

You'd have women hired by teams and placed in opportunistic locations to accuse the upcoming opponents players of wrong doing. The market for hookers would boom!

Hopefully it never comes to that. The suspension is deserving for Ben.
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dfosterf
14 years ago

Forget about the accusation of rape for a second.

Was there any evidence that he had sex with her? Because he told the police that he did NOT have sex with her.

"IronMan" wrote:



Actually the point I argued in the other thread, the facts points to a lie..

The guy is a loser than has to stoop to the clubs to get laid.. whether the other party is willing, drunk, or otherwise.

"pack93z" wrote:

Yeah if there was evidence that they had sex, and he said they didn't.......not good.

"IronMan" wrote:



You are going to hate me, because once you start clicking on the links--it is tedious, but somewhat fascinating as well. You have to scroll down to see the "sets of documents".

Pay careful attention to the lab report documents, especially the docs concerning her panties.

Pittsburgh Post Gazette links to GBI reports 

I apologize for not being able to direct you to which set it is in. I read them when they were first released.
djcubez
14 years ago
How many club related incidents did ii take Pacman to get a full-year suspension? At least six.

How many club related incidents has Roethlisberger had? Two.

I don't see why Roethlisberger got six games, it's kind of high. I mean Stallworth killed a dude and got a full season. Roethlisberger hasn't even been found guilty of anything yet except poor decision making.
ILikeThePackers39
14 years ago
Here's my take: He's not being suspended for rape or any other crime. He's being suspended for being an arrogant prick who clearly suffers from an out-sized sense of entitlement and doesn't feel that he should alter his behavior in any way to preserve the league's reputation.

None of us here can say definitively whether he raped or assaulted the woman. But there's more than enough evidence to say that he did sequester himself in a back room and arrange to have "talent" brought into said room. On the heels of a very public civil suit for similar behavior, it smacks of - if nothing else - a sense that his wants are more important to him than societal norms or the reputation of his employer(s).

So what I see Goodell doing is saying "Guess what, you little prick? You're NOT more important than this league, and if you intend to continue to play in this league you'll cut that shit out, and fly right." Given that my employer can fire me for little more than an unfortunate desk-fart, I don't see why Ben's entitled to anything other than what he's getting.

Bottom line, I don't see this is any statement as to the guilt or lack thereof in this specific instance - it's a response to a pattern of behavior which the league clearly sees as intolerable. And good on 'em for it, I say.
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IronMan
14 years ago

Here's my take: He's not being suspended for rape or any other crime. He's being suspended for being an arrogant prick who clearly suffers from an out-sized sense of entitlement and doesn't feel that he should alter his behavior in any way to preserve the league's reputation.

None of us here can say definitively whether he raped or assaulted the woman. But there's more than enough evidence to say that he did sequester himself in a back room and arrange to have "talent" brought into said room. On the heels of a very public civil suit for similar behavior, it smacks of - if nothing else - a sense that his wants are more important to him than societal norms or the reputation of his employer(s).

So what I see Goodell doing is saying "Guess what, you little prick? You're NOT more important than this league, and if you intend to continue to play in this league you'll cut that shit out, and fly right." Given that my employer can fire me for little more than an unfortunate desk-fart, I don't see why Ben's entitled to anything other than what he's getting.

Bottom line, I don't see this is any statement as to the guilt or lack thereof in this specific instance - it's a response to a pattern of behavior which the league clearly sees as intolerable. And good on 'em for it, I say.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:

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