DakotaT
13 years ago
He should just sit the 8 games and come back with fresh legs. But first he has to beat out some people on the line. We will probably go with 7 lineman:

Pickett
Raji
Daniel
Worthy
Muir
Guy
Wilson

Neal - 4 games
Hargrove - 8 games
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PackerTraxx
13 years ago
Much as I don't like to see Packers suspended. But I'm glad to see Goodell puts some "teeth" into his punishments rather than a slap on the wrist.
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Wade
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13 years ago
"Hargrove says he followed orders in Saints' bounties cover-up"

Story here. 

See, this is part of what is whacked with our society.

If you're charged with doing a scumbag-type thing, it's not a defense to say other people are doing even more scumbaggy things.

Okay, so they ordered you to do it, Mr. Hargrove. I'm sorry, but you're not a child anymore. You don't get to say, "I did the bad thing because daddy told me to do it, and I'm just a kid." You don't get to say, "The bully made me do it."

Should a mob hitman get off because the Godfather will have him hit if he doesn't? No. Should a bank robber get off just because his fellow robber was a psycho best played by John Malcovich? No.

No, you're an adult. If you conspire to commit assault, or if you conspire to cover up a conspiracy to commit assault, you are responsible for your scumbaggy choice.

If that's your only grounds for appeal, sorry, I wouldn't grant it.


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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
Who said Anthony Hargrove is trying to get of lying? The lying is wrong, yes, but that's not what he's appealing, or is it? I'm obviously not educated on this, lol.
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nerdmann
13 years ago

"Hargrove says he followed orders in Saints' bounties cover-up"

Story here. 

See, this is part of what is whacked with our society.

If you're charged with doing a scumbag-type thing, it's not a defense to say other people are doing even more scumbaggy things.

Okay, so they ordered you to do it, Mr. Hargrove. I'm sorry, but you're not a child anymore. You don't get to say, "I did the bad thing because daddy told me to do it, and I'm just a kid." You don't get to say, "The bully made me do it."

Should a mob hitman get off because the Godfather will have him hit if he doesn't? No. Should a bank robber get off just because his fellow robber was a psycho best played by John Malcovich? No.

No, you're an adult. If you conspire to commit assault, or if you conspire to cover up a conspiracy to commit assault, you are responsible for your scumbaggy choice.

If that's your only grounds for appeal, sorry, I wouldn't grant it.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



You're a marginal player, coming off a year that was lost due to injury. One team in the league offered you a contract. Yeah, they did some messed up shit. But are you gonna turn around and drop a dime on your teammates and coaches?

If so, are you ever gonna get another contract anywhere in the league? How are your teammates going to regard you?
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Wade
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13 years ago

You're a marginal player, coming off a year that was lost due to injury. One team in the league offered you a contract. Yeah, they did some messed up shit. But are you gonna turn around and drop a dime on your teammates and coaches?

If so, are you ever gonna get another contract anywhere in the league? How are your teammates going to regard you?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Anyone can have principles when the consequences of following them are small. The real indicator of principles is what you do when the consequences of following them are big.

I don't claim to always make the right decision in such cases. Only saints do that.

But I just don't think "I would have been done in the NFL" is enough of a justification for a lessening of the punishment.


And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
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Porforis
13 years ago

You're a marginal player, coming off a year that was lost due to injury. One team in the league offered you a contract. Yeah, they did some messed up shit. But are you gonna turn around and drop a dime on your teammates and coaches?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Yes, it's called having a pair of balls and some basic ethics. If the Saints were to treat him unfavorably because of any whistleblowing (which he should have done), there's some serious grounds for a lawsuit there. Hargrove was bad, worse, and now just lame. He was involved, he lied, he's now trying to say that someone else telling him to lie is grounds for understanding and reduced punishment. I don't think so. Don't want this trash on my team, not that my opinion means anything.
DoddPower
13 years ago

Yes, it's called having a pair of balls and some basic ethics. If the Saints were to treat him unfavorably because of any whistleblowing (which he should have done), there's some serious grounds for a lawsuit there. Hargrove was bad, worse, and now just lame. He was involved, he lied, he's now trying to say that someone else telling him to lie is grounds for understanding and reduced punishment. I don't think so. Don't want this trash on my team, not that my opinion means anything.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Wasn't this statement from an earlier statement released before the punishment? I don't think this is something he's JUST now saying in hopes of getting a reduced punishment. It's part of his original release which the press was finally able to get their hands on. PFT wrote an article today describing the situation and how Hargrove isn't as bad as it seems (although not clear of guilt, obviously). I honestly haven't read much about it because I really don't care, but I don't think Hargrove is trying to weasel out of anything, necessarily.
Porforis
13 years ago

Wasn't this statement from an earlier statement released before the punishment? I don't think this is something he's JUST now saying in hopes of getting a reduced punishment. It's part of his original release which the press was finally able to get their hands on. PFT wrote an article today describing the situation and how Hargrove isn't as bad as it seems (although not clear of guilt, obviously). I honestly haven't read much about it because I really don't care, but I don't think Hargrove is trying to weasel out of anything, necessarily.

Originally Posted by: doddpower 



Ah, my bad.
nerdmann
13 years ago
You can say what you want about ethics, but even if my teammates are doing something wrong, I take them aside and talk about it, I don't drop a dime.
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