Packers_Finland
15 years ago
I tried to watch the video... but just couldn't do it. Too much pain.
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Rockmolder
15 years ago

OK, watching that play just reminded me of why I was so pissed off after that game. Has nothing to do with our DBs and everything to do with why the **** were we rushing only 3 people? Geez, look at Roethlisburger. All the time in the ****** world.

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Normally I hate the prevent defense, as well, but in that case, I couldn't help but agree with the call.

The Steelers where on our 19 yard line. If you zone out the end zone and keep guys in man under once the receivers get to the end zone, there should be no way that that pass can get completed.

The biggest problem came with Bigby not being in position and the complete lack of even a 3 man rush, because Jenkins and Raji where on the bench. We where bringing Wynn, Jolly and Kampman.
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15 years ago

The only thing more amusing than Rock's sarcasm in this thread was the failure of everyone else to catch it. Considering I caught Rock's point instantly, I guess I think more like Rock than I realized, and that's a scary thought.

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Failure by everyone? He used quotes which is universally understood as actual comments from said person and then to add more to this he cited Packers.com as a implied source for this information.

I don't think there was any failure here other than by the original poster who falsely cited a source and misused quotations without any indication it was not factual.

And of course you caught it ... IMMEDIATELY ... because you're different and better than the rest. We get it. You're smarter than us all. We still don't much care. Now go sleep with your girlfriend while your wife watches, lucky asshole. ;)

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Lol. I know, it was a little vague. Got one step ahead of myself.

And I very much doubt that Rourke would bang his girlfriend while his wife is watching.

He'd just do them both.
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I think on the winner pass and catch there arr things we would do differently next time e.g. rush better pass rushers.

But it was a superb throw and catch and sometimes you have to take your hat off and admit you were beat by a great play. The other team is allowed to make plays too.

As for Bell, he's been completely forgotten by most and when I posted a thread asking people to select their DB roster for 2011 he was cut by everyone.

But the guy started for Denver and was released only after he was injured.

It would be great if he came out and nailed down the dime back spot in training camp. He's still young and very cheap.
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Packers_Finland
15 years ago


But the guy started for Denver and was released only after he was injured.

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Josh Bell started 5 games in 2008 due to injuries to their defensive backs. Even Jarrett Bush started 3 games for us last season. That doesn't mean he's good.

He was barely in their roster anyway, so I don't think they released him just because he was injured.

Who do you expect us to keep on the roster, if Bell is someone we should keep? Woodson, Harris, Williams, Blackmon, Lee, Underwood, Bell plus potential draft picks?
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15 years ago



Normally I hate the prevent defense, as well, but in that case, I couldn't help but agree with the call.

The Steelers where on our 19 yard line. If you zone out the end zone and keep guys in man under once the receivers get to the end zone, there should be no way that that pass can get completed.

The biggest problem came with Bigby not being in position and the complete lack of even a 3 man rush, because Jenkins and Raji where on the bench. We where bringing Wynn, Jolly and Kampman.

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Alright, this will probably go the way of a chicken vs egg debate but a four man rush may have hurried Ben R. He may not have had time to find that open WR.

Remember the argument that with enough time, a QB will find an open receiver.

I hate our lack of aggression when it's important. I'd much rather die swinging than die praying.
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But the guy started for Denver and was released only after he was injured.

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Josh Bell started 5 games in 2008 due to injuries to their defensive backs. Even Jarrett Bush started 3 games for us last season. That doesn't mean he's good.

He was barely in their roster anyway, so I don't think they released him just because he was injured.

Who do you expect us to keep on the roster, if Bell is someone we should keep? Woodson, Harris, Williams, Blackmon, Lee, Underwood, Bell plus potential draft picks?

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I don't see room for Bell on our roster, if we select 1 CB and 1 S in the draft we're going to be cutting some good players, or at least players we've kept previously.

I was just imagining the fight in TC if Bell came out of the blocks and surprised a few people. I don't see it happening though.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
When we signed Josh Bell, I was moderately excited. I knew nothing of him, except that he wasn't Jarrett Bush. I used to be a Bush supporter, but other than special teams, I just don't see him contributing effectively for us.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Kevin took my self-deprecating jab at Detlev as an expression of superiority on my part? Now that IS funny. Your insecurities don't become you, buddy. ;)

As for my wife and my girlfriend, I wouldn't fuck the latter in front of the former. She's too shy. :P

But girls are remarkably resilient creatures. Who knows what will happen in the future? 😃
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15 years ago

Kevin took my self-deprecating jab at Detlev as an expression of superiority on my part? Now that IS funny. Your insecurities don't become you, buddy. ;)

As for my wife and my girlfriend, I wouldn't fuck the latter in front of the former. She's too shy. :P

But girls are remarkably resilient creatures. Who knows what will happen in the future? :D

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lol@insecurities.
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get_louder_at_lambeau
15 years ago

I'm rewatching the play in question and I see Bigby standing all by himself with no steeler around him. But you can't really blame Bell he had great coverage and it took a great throw and catch.

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Also Nerdman yes they say Harris is a physical corner but they are referring to his hand checking at the line not tackling. Usually Harris is the one trotting behind the play.

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I see Bigby coming across from the middle, where he was near Jarrett Bush and some Steeler receiver. The only point that he's in view is right before the catch, so who knows what went on. Looks like he's supporting Bush to me, which most here would generally condone since Bush is the super extra most worstest CB ever to play in the NFL and all that.

You guys realize that you can't double team everyone, right? And that QBs will usually throw at the guy who drew single coverage? Seems like many here don't understand that.
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we had 8 guys drop into coverage and 7 of them were on one half of the endzone, and it still took a great throw and catch to complete it.
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Rockmolder
15 years ago
Uch.. Uch... 

We had some pretty good discussions after that one. It'd be great if we could ask what plays was called there. My guess is still cover 3 man with Bigby being out of position.
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
I still cringe when I think about that game, but then it occurs to me that Roethlisberger had to throw for 503 yards to beat us, and I realize it's not so bad after all.

In the end it's all Rodgers' fault anyway. After that amazing throw and catch with no time on the clock, it was his responsibility to bring his team back, and he failed to do that.
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15 years ago

Uch.. Uch... 

We had some pretty good discussions after that one. It'd be great if we could ask what plays was called there. My guess is still cover 3 man with Bigby being out of position.

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Thanks for posting that. Good stuff.

You got me interested with that, and I came up with something I think you'll enjoy- professional wide angle video analysis that mostly confirms your analysis and assumptions. You're welcome. ::wink:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/pittsburgh-steelers/09000d5d81535668/Anatomy-Steelers-game-winner 

Anyway, after watching that a few times, one thing that stands out to me is that Bigby is keying on Bush's guy from the snap. Considering that Bush got targeted repeatedly and abused in that game, I can't blame Bigby for favoring helping Bush. They also show Roethlistberger looking Bigby off to the middle towards Bush. Bigby doubled the first read, and that WR cut inside.

I don't see him doing anything too wrong, other than getting a couple yards too deep. Two receivers were headed towards his zone, and he picked the one that the QB was looking at, whe also happened to be covered by the guy who was getting picked on all day.

Even if he went for Bell's guy from the snap, I doubt he changes the play since the ball is delivered to the outside shoulder of a receiver who barely gets his toes down. How does inside/deep safety help change that? I don't think it does. A perfect throw will beat perfect coverage more times than not.

I'm interested to hear your impressions after watching that video.
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Uch.. Uch... 

We had some pretty good discussions after that one. It'd be great if we could ask what plays was called there. My guess is still cover 3 man with Bigby being out of position.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



Thanks for posting that. Good stuff.

You got me interested with that, and I came up with something I think you'll enjoy- professional wide angle video analysis that mostly confirms your analysis and assumptions. You're welcome. ::wink:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/pittsburgh-steelers/09000d5d81535668/Anatomy-Steelers-game-winner 

Anyway, after watching that a few times, one thing that stands out to me is that Bigby is keying on Bush's guy from the snap. Considering that Bush got targeted repeatedly and abused in that game, I can't blame Bigby for favoring helping Bush. They also show Roethlistberger looking Bigby off to the middle towards Bush. Bigby doubled the first read, and that WR cut inside.

I don't see him doing anything too wrong, other than getting a couple yards too deep. Two receivers were headed towards his zone, and he picked the one that the QB was looking at, whe also happened to be covered by the guy who was getting picked on all day.

Even if he went for Bell's guy from the snap, I doubt he changes the play since the ball is delivered to the outside shoulder of a receiver who barely gets his toes down. How does inside/deep safety help change that? I don't think it does. A perfect throw will beat perfect coverage more times than not.

I'm interested to hear your impressions after watching that video.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



this vid has a nice breakdown and nice analysis getlouder
Rockmolder
15 years ago

Uch.. Uch... 

We had some pretty good discussions after that one. It'd be great if we could ask what plays was called there. My guess is still cover 3 man with Bigby being out of position.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



Thanks for posting that. Good stuff.

You got me interested with that, and I came up with something I think you'll enjoy- professional wide angle video analysis that mostly confirms your analysis and assumptions. You're welcome. ::wink:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/pittsburgh-steelers/09000d5d81535668/Anatomy-Steelers-game-winner 

Anyway, after watching that a few times, one thing that stands out to me is that Bigby is keying on Bush's guy from the snap. Considering that Bush got targeted repeatedly and abused in that game, I can't blame Bigby for favoring helping Bush. They also show Roethlistberger looking Bigby off to the middle towards Bush. Bigby doubled the first read, and that WR cut inside.

I don't see him doing anything too wrong, other than getting a couple yards too deep. Two receivers were headed towards his zone, and he picked the one that the QB was looking at, whe also happened to be covered by the guy who was getting picked on all day.

Even if he went for Bell's guy from the snap, I doubt he changes the play since the ball is delivered to the outside shoulder of a receiver who barely gets his toes down. How does inside/deep safety help change that? I don't think it does. A perfect throw will beat perfect coverage more times than not.

I'm interested to hear your impressions after watching that video.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



It's still despressing. Lol.

So, Bigby was out of position. That's pretty much my whole point.

That play by the Steelers was nothing more than a Hail Mary type one. You let your receiver run mainly verticals, overloading one side and having your inner-left receiver of the formation run a post, in an attempt to drag the safety with him.

It worked to perfection.

He isn't playing robber. He has the clear responsibility of covering his zone. He just gets dragged into the wrong place. Together with, like you said, lining up too deep.

I don't know how much of a difference it makes if he's there with Bell. If he's close enough, he has the advantage of seeing the ball and being able to close in on the ball, but really, that's an amazingly accurate ball. Perfectly thrown.

Great video, btw.
doddpower
15 years ago
Yeah, I can't say that video says much good about Bigby, at least on this play.


Once again. Ouch. Freak play.
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