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Zero2Cool
2019-04-26T01:39:25Z
Rashan Gary | Defensive End | Michigan | 6'4" - 277 lbs.
 


Overview
Five-star defensive end prospect coming into Michigan who leaves with those same five-star traits and loads of potential but a lack of development in key areas. Gary is a face-up rusher who seems content to hit tackles with bull-rush attempts rather than working the edges. He's explosive out of the blocks and in closing to the quarterback, and is just waiting for hand development and additional rush moves. His size, strength and motor could make him a plus run defender in short order. He has elite potential if a defensive coordinator can harness the energy and focus his approach.

Strengths
  • Freaky triangle of height, weight and speed
  • Active and strong with NFL size
  • Has all the tools to set a strong edge
  • Forceful into initial contact at point of attack
  • Good contact balance, thanks to sturdy base
  • Has disruptive qualities when he bends and plays low
  • Very good pursuit speed from backside and makes tackles down the field
  • Fires out of a track stance with energy and twitch
  • Can make conversion of speed-to-power look easy
  • Uses long-arm bull-rush to collapse the edge into quarterback
  • Strong enough to overtake tackles in late phase of the rush
  • Quick laterally and it shows up on twists


Weaknesses
  • Production as rusher failed to match traits and talent
  • Rush plan is somewhat basic at this stage of development
  • Long-arm bull rush is his only real rush tool
  • Hands lack skill and have yet to be unlocked as rush weapon
  • Lacks classic hip bend to dip and run the arc
  • Runs himself around the pocket rather than working back under
  • Plays fast but with no regulator for control
  • Lacks instincts and awareness for misdirections and counters
  • Tends to lose pad level on inside counters
  • Doesn't come to balance consistently as open-field tackler






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nerdmann
2019-04-26T02:00:46Z
Gute is officially an analytics guy. They like this guy for his numbers.

Still, I trust Pettine to make him into a football player, way more than I would Capers. I feel good about him.
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nerdmann
2019-04-26T02:02:41Z
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I hope LeFluer doesn't become one of those guys who brings in friends. That's a killer. Remember Sherman and all his buddies who sucked? Taking Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers. Giving contracts to players who pretended to be his friends?

But I think this is an analytics pick. Dude has 90+% measurables.
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go.pack.go.
2019-04-26T02:06:44Z
Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

I hope LeFluer doesn't become one of those guys who brings in friends. That's a killer. Remember Sherman and all his buddies who sucked? Taking Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers. Giving contracts to players who pretended to be his friends?

But I think this is an analytics pick. Dude has 90+% measurables.



Be confirmed if we take DK Metcalf next lol
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2019-04-26T02:24:45Z
Like the pick, considering the board. Definitely going to be polarizing.
yooperfan
2019-04-26T10:43:57Z
Being a Michigan Wolverine fan that watches a lot of Michigan football I have to admit that I was somewhat shocked by this pick.
The kid has a high motor and pretty good measureables but rushing the passer is not a strength at this point in time.
He disappears for long periods of time to the point that you sometimes wonder if he's even on the field.
Perhaps he can be coached up and he will learn to put all his tools to good use.
My fear is that once he has the money in his pocket he will completely disappear.
Sadly I'm not loving this pick.
IMHO he's a project not worthy of the 12 pick.
Time will tell.
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2019-04-26T11:58:08Z
He has a few red flags. Especially for the 12th pick. I am sure GB vetted him so I will have to trust Gute and Co for now.
I was kind of thinking about going offense and grabbing Jawaan Taylor but he wasn't even one of the 4 OT selected last night so what do I know.
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2019-04-26T12:04:49Z
The kid would seem to either have a bad shoulder or a bad heart. I hope I’m wrong.
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Smokey
2019-04-26T12:12:58Z
Another Packer "project" ?


Draft Pick Grade : C

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2019-04-26T12:15:52Z
Originally Posted by: KRK 

The kid would seem to either have a bad shoulder or a bad heart. I hope I’m wrong.



You must really be concerned to say it 3 times. 😁
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nerdmann
2019-04-26T12:34:36Z
Originally Posted by: yooperfan 

Being a Michigan Wolverine fan that watches a lot of Michigan football I have to admit that I was somewhat shocked by this pick.
The kid has a high motor and pretty good measureables but rushing the passer is not a strength at this point in time.
He disappears for long periods of time to the point that you sometimes wonder if he's even on the field.
Perhaps he can be coached up and he will learn to put all his tools to good use.
My fear is that once he has the money in his pocket he will completely disappear.
Sadly I'm not loving this pick.
IMHO he's a project not worthy of the 12 pick.
Time will tell.



Look at Pettine's defense though. He doesn't necessarily want the huge sack numbers at OLB. He wants guys who will contain, pressure but he's never had those huge sack artist guys.

Not saying this dude can't do it either. Just saying.

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olds70supreme
2019-04-26T12:50:36Z
Quote:

Be confirmed if we take DK Metcalf next lol



It would really be confirmed if he signed Kevin Bacon.
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Pack93z
2019-04-26T13:11:23Z
There is much to like about this pick, a freakish athlete that has all the physical tools, at times flashes it.

There is the rub.. "at times".



I take issue with this especially... and this is from a Badger fan that loathes UM... and OSU for that matter.



Don Brown is one of the best defensive minds out there... yes, he gets blue chip talent, but he also does a very good job in developing talent as well.

I am cautious that Pettine will draw that talent out of Gary consistently when Brown was unable to. Certainly hope that the light flips on, if it does, I agree, we got a top 5 pick at 12.

BTW, I have little concern of his wonderlic score.. as a brother of a person with mild dyslexia, i know the struggles that come with it.
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2019-04-26T14:04:50Z
How amazing will it be to have an OLB that actually plays contain instead of trying to get a sack on every play!
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sschind
2019-04-26T14:23:02Z
Originally Posted by: wpr 

How amazing will it be to have an OLB that actually plays contain instead of trying to get a sack on every play!



People like sacks. If a guy plays defense and is not a DB he had better have a boatload of sacks other wise he is worthless.

He does seem to be a little full of himself but if that translates onto the field I'm fine with that. If he crates havoc and someone else gets the stat I'm perfectly fine with that as well.

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2019-04-26T14:32:11Z
Originally Posted by: sschind 

People like sacks. If a guy plays defense and is not a DB he had better have a boatload of sacks other wise he is worthless.

He does seem to be a little full of himself but if that translates onto the field I'm fine with that. If he crates havoc and someone else gets the stat I'm perfectly fine with that as well.



I know people like sacks. Sacks are a semi important stat. I also know what people don't like. People don't like it when the runner, be it the RB, a WR or a scrambling QB, breaks it outside and the OLB is no where to be found because he has dipped into the middle of the field looking to try and sack the QB and the runner rambles for 15-30 yards downfield before one of the DBs come up to make the tackle.

There are certainly a bunch of times when it is acceptable for the OLB to look for the sack. On those occasions his duty is contain. It's someone else' job to stay home. I am not talking about those times. Only the times when he should have protected the outside and didn't. You can't always tell what the assignments are but there are times when no one else is around and you have a hunch who is supposed to watch.
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Smokey
2019-04-26T16:17:35Z
Rashan Gary = Nick Perry 2.0

A player taken this high in the draft (#12) should be ready to step onto a football field and start. If Gary is to play LB as his selection announced, he will be lucky to be a 2nd string backup LB. As for being a pass rusher, GB's GM went to the FA market and hired Preston Smith. He and Kyler Fackrell will team up with Daniels and Clark and (Za'Darious) Smith should provide an aggressive pass rush. These veterans should have no real struggle forming into a solid unit. Dean Lowery and Tyler Lancaster will not readily allow Gary to move them out of their slots as the primary DL backups. So Gary is will have a long row to hoe if he expects to start at LB or DE.

Being a physical beast is just not enough. Professional players know all the nuances of playing their position. Gary might already have good football knowledge, but developing him into an effective LB or DE will be a project.

Had GB used this draft pick to take a much needed TE like Noah Fant, they could have traded or not traded the #30 pick and still picked a good DE/OLB. Hopefully Alabama's Irv Smith (TE) will still be available with GB's #44 overall pick.

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2019-04-26T20:33:52Z
Smokey sarcastically summarized:
Quote:

Rashan Gary = Nick Perry 2.0

I don't want to ascribe motives to other posters, but I think Smokey meant it this as a negative.

Although, I think this may be an accurate assessment of both individuals' talent, the performance will hopefully not be the same at the conclusion of Gary's career.

Had Perry been able to stay healthy, he was a very good player. He provided great pressure, provided some sacks AND SET A HELL OF AN EDGE, unlike CMIII. The problem was staying healthy.

If Gary can stay healthy, and play like a healthy Nick Perry, I would take it.
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Nonstopdrivel
2019-04-26T20:44:30Z
This is how I picture Smokey holding forth as he analyzes the Packers' draft picks:


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sschind
2019-04-26T22:44:04Z
Originally Posted by: wpr 

I know people like sacks. Sacks are a semi important stat. I also know what people don't like. People don't like it when the runner, be it the RB, a WR or a scrambling QB, breaks it outside and the OLB is no where to be found because he has dipped into the middle of the field looking to try and sack the QB and the runner rambles for 15-30 yards downfield before one of the DBs come up to make the tackle.

There are certainly a bunch of times when it is acceptable for the OLB to look for the sack. On those occasions his duty is contain. It's someone else' job to stay home. I am not talking about those times. Only the times when he should have protected the outside and didn't. You can't always tell what the assignments are but there are times when no one else is around and you have a hunch who is supposed to watch.



For the record I was agreeing with you.

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