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beast
14 years ago

Ted sure does draft a lot of projects doesn't he? A few work out a bunch don't.

"wpr" wrote:



All 32 teams do... as every single rookie is a project trying to make it in the NFL. But seriously a ton of guys and draft picks fail to make it every year... that's why it's been said if you get just two good starters then it was a good draft. If you get 3 it was a GREAT! draft... that year we got

2 Jordy Nelson Kansas State
2 Brian Brohm Louisville
2 Patrick Lee Auburn
3 Jermichael Finley Texas
4 Jeremy Thompson Wake Forest
4 Josh Sitton Central Florida
5 Breno Giacomini Louisville
7 Matt Flynn Louisiana State
7 Brett Swain

That looks like a good draft with Finley and Sitton as your two good starters... and we got a couple of back-ups in Nelson, Flynn and Swain. (I didn't name last because stay I heard he's working with the 3rd string CBs and could be cut as well with Bush working with the 2nd string...)
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beast
14 years ago

I think it speaks volumes that our three of our four best lineman are holdovers from a different staff of coaches at the position. Sitton being the exception..

Lang, Bulaga, DS and Newhouse haven't been coached "down" yet. ;)

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I agree and that seriously bothers me... but I think the guys they've been going after have been a little better. I mean Sitton, Lang and Bulaga were NFL ready for the most part... but I agree we don't seem to be able to coach up project OL guys. Though Newhouse has been reported to be improving... at LT (after sucking at LG)...

Should we move him to RT with Bulaga there? ... Lang has been working both LT and RT while Clifton and Bulaga were out.
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evad04
14 years ago
Outside of prototypical size, is there much to like about this guy? At this level I think they want you to be a good football player. I admit I haven't watched him a whole lot but the special attention I did show him during the Browns preseason game didn't alleviate my doubts. No, my doubts are even stronger now.
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14 years ago

Ted sure does draft a lot of projects doesn't he? A few work out a bunch don't.

"beast" wrote:



All 32 teams do... as every single rookie is a project trying to make it in the NFL. But seriously a ton of guys and draft picks fail to make it every year... that's why it's been said if you get just two good starters then it was a good draft. If you get 3 it was a GREAT! draft... that year we got

2 Jordy Nelson Kansas State
2 Brian Brohm Louisville
2 Patrick Lee Auburn
3 Jermichael Finley Texas
4 Jeremy Thompson Wake Forest
4 Josh Sitton Central Florida
5 Breno Giacomini Louisville
7 Matt Flynn Louisiana State
7 Brett Swain

That looks like a good draft with Finley and Sitton as your two good starters... and we got a couple of back-ups in Nelson, Flynn and Swain. (I didn't name last because stay I heard he's working with the 3rd string CBs and could be cut as well with Bush working with the 2nd string...)

"wpr" wrote:



I have no complaints with the 2008 draft. I have no complaints with trying a converted TE as a OT. It would have been nice to wait a round or two before selecting him. After all he only played OT for 2 seasons and only started 1 season plus a couple of games as a Jr. With the GB starting OT getting long in the tooth it is obvious that Ted has been looking for their replacements for some time. He had hoped he could get a quality replacement in the lower rounds and then letting them grow into the job. It just has not worked out.

All I said Ted likes to take these gambles. All teams gamble a bit. (No one more than Oakland). It just seems that Ted does so a bit more than most teams. And as I said with some success.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

I think it speaks volumes that our three of our four best lineman are holdovers from a different staff of coaches at the position. Sitton being the exception..

Lang, Bulaga, DS and Newhouse haven't been coached "down" yet. ;)

"beast" wrote:



I agree and that seriously bothers me... but I think the guys they've been going after have been a little better. I mean Sitton, Lang and Bulaga were NFL ready for the most part... but I agree we don't seem to be able to coach up project OL guys. Though Newhouse has been reported to be improving... at LT (after sucking at LG)...

Should we move him to RT with Bulaga there? ... Lang has been working both LT and RT while Clifton and Bulaga were out.

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I don't have much confidence in our O-line coaching either, although I suppose it could just as well be that Ted hasn't drafted well at those positions. I don't put any stock into the reports of Newhouse improving. We've heard the same things about Barbre and Giacomini for the past two years.

Right at the moment, though, I am hopeful that the Packers may have turned the corner with the O-line. Sitton was a good start, Lang looks pretty good, and of course so does Bulaga.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
James Campen is the OL coach.
He's never played in a zone scheme.
He was never properly taught how to teach the scheme, other than the one year under Jagz.

Is it the scheme?
The teacher's lack of knowledge of the scheme?

The talent?



I don't know OL, but I have a hard time saying its Ted's fault, or James' fault or the scheme's fault. I think we have the wrong pieces to the puzzle.


Edit, trying to think of a time James played in zone, I don't recall one, but never is not the proper term since I do know for sure. I do not believe he has.
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nerdmann
14 years ago
I'm critical of Campen too, but let's be real. Ted Thompson was asked to draft "smaller, quicker" guys for the first 3 years or so. Alan Barbre is the last of those guys, iirc. Then he started nabbing some "bigger stronger" type guys like Sitton, Lang etc. TT's percentage has been much better since then. Breno just can't break the starting lineup. We got depth now, but I think we have enough castoffs to get some help at need positions, such as OLB and CB.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/102089128.html 
Here's an interesting take:

"It's interesting that teams like Giacomini. Does that mean they think they can coach him up better than the Packers?"
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TheKanataThrilla (4h) : Watching that game in its entirety yesterday is proof positive that I am a football addict.
beast (5h) : And horrible time management multiple times... and not being able to score more than 3 points on a team with talent
beast (5h) : Realizing the Bears didn't fix it from the previous week and do the same thing, getting the game to overtime
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Zero2Cool (6h) : Crazy of Bears to have that mindset that is
Zero2Cool (6h) : Hail Mary stop away from 5 - 2. Not sure how that flips to tanking. Crazy mindset if true
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Mucky Tundra (16h) : The Seattle Seahawks defeat the Chicago Bears 6-3. Jason Myers had 6 RBIs for Seattle while Cairo Santos had 3 RBI for Chicago
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Zero2Cool (23h) : If they'd been more patient with him, he'd be back already. Putting him out there vs Bears caused him to tweak it and here we are.
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beast (24-Dec) : Sounds like no serious injuries from the Saints game and Jacobs and Watson should play in the Vikings game
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : both games Watson missed, Packers won
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Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Oh I know about Jacobs, I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to mimic Zero lol
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : Jacobs was just sat down, Watson re-injured that knee that kept him out 1 game earlier
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : I needed .14 that's. .14 points for the whole 4th quarter to win and go to the SB. Lol
Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Jacobs gonna be OK???
Zero2Cool (24-Dec) : Watson gonna be OK???
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : Inactives tonight for the Pack: Alexander- knee Bullard - ankle Williams - quad Walker -ankle Monk Heath
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : No Jaire, but hopefully the front 7 destroys the line of scrimmage & forces Rattler into a few passes to McKinney.
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
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