Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

Do you think that Bush's 'War on Terror' and 911 had anything to do with the federal budget increase while he was the Commander in-Chief?

"Formo" wrote:



Of course it did -- and creating the Department of Homeland Security, among other things. Heck, I was the beneficiary of a lot of those spending increases, as my pay went up almost every year under the Bush Administration (though Bush did press for the abolishment of combat pays, which Congress shot down).

That is beside the point. The point is that Republicans squawk at Democrats for proposed spending increases, despite the fact that the federal budget tripled under a Republican administration and Republican Congress. Regardless of what the proximate causes of the increased spending may have been, the fact remains that Republicans are no more fiscally responsible than Democrats. Their protests of indignation are simply political posturing.
UserPostedImage
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

Why do you hate freedom?

"Rockmolder" wrote:



What can I say? I hate kittens and baby seals, too. It's a disease, I tell you.
UserPostedImage
Wade
  • Wade
  • Veteran Member
14 years ago
1. The biggest enemy of libertarianism are Libertarians-with-a-capital-L.
2. I'm more anarchist, than libertarian, I guess. But what I really am is anti-statist.
3. A book to recommend for anyone: Robert Higgs' Crisis and Leviathan. It'll show you just how much the typical response of Americans to crisis in the last century or so has been to temporarily forgo freedom only to accept later a temporary reduction become permanent as the natural state of affairs. Homeland Security and whatever Obamoids are up to -- these are just the latest in a long string of ceding freedom.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
doddpower
14 years ago
Isn't the Department of Homeland Security created under Bush one of the biggest (and quickest) expansions of the federal government to date? Doesn't seem like 'small government.'
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Yes, the federal government expanded more under Bush than at any time since the Johnson Administration implemented the Great Society programs, which represented the largest expansion of the federal government since the New Deal programs.

Incredibly, there are some New Deal programs that are still in place. Old bureaucracies never die -- they simply get buried under new layers of bureaucracy.
UserPostedImage
DakotaT
14 years ago

I always laugh when i hear that democrats want a "distribution of wealth".
I can understand why rich people don't like what the dems are trying to do. Kind of a "Robin Hood" approach. They always make it sound like rich people are "E-VIL!!!"
If it wasn't for rich people, there would be no companies for the rest of us to work for. Most of the rich people worked hard to earn what they have. What right does the government have to grab into their pockets? Just because they have more money then the average person?
It's NOT fair or right to punish the rich because they have more, is it?
I mean, they should pay their fair share, but ONLY their fair share.

And believe me, i'm NOT a rich guy. I have to sweat week to week to pay bills.

"Cheesey" wrote:



I don't think this question can be answered without looking at history and how that wealth was acquired. Upon on who's backs was that wealth made and were those people compensated properly. I know the popular approach to this is that we just need to move forward and forget the past, but don't sign me up for that.

With all the glory and wonderful things this country has and has done for others, we have some real ugliness in our short history as a country, wounds exist that have never been cleansed.

So when there is talk about "redistribution of wealth", the biggest opponents to it are those that don't know shit about their own country's history, yet alone how the kingdom they get to enjoy was created and who was stepped on to acquire it.
UserPostedImage
zombieslayer
14 years ago

1. The biggest enemy of libertarianism are Libertarians-with-a-capital-L.
2. I'm more anarchist, than libertarian, I guess. But what I really am is anti-statist.
3. A book to recommend for anyone: Robert Higgs' Crisis and Leviathan. It'll show you just how much the typical response of Americans to crisis in the last century or so has been to temporarily forgo freedom only to accept later a temporary reduction become permanent as the natural state of affairs. Homeland Security and whatever Obamoids are up to -- these are just the latest in a long string of ceding freedom.

"Wade" wrote:



Ah. I didn't think of it that way but I think I'm with Wade, more anti-statist than libertarian. My biggest fear has always been a police state, and logically the government has to be big to be brutish. A small brutish government won't survive very long.

I'll have to read that book.

Rock - That was too funny (the "why do you hate freedom?"). Neo-cons instead of attacking your argument will resort to calling you anti-American or a hater of Freedom, despite the fact that they pretty much do nothing good for American interests.

I'm now wondering who I hate more, neo-cons or liberals.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
4PackGirl
14 years ago
ya know what i hate more than anything? the fact that my ultra conservative mother feels the need to forward hate emails to all her ultra conservative friends & family without a thought to whether anything encompassed in said emails are true, facts, opinion, or complete fallacies. and in my OWN home, i am made to feel less than 'intelligent' because i don't claim either of the big parties. she actually is MAD at me because i'm not an ultra conservative republican. she votes straight party tickets all the time. i would be equally as irritated if she was a liberal democrat. closing ones mind to the possibility that any given party on any given day can truly make good choices, changes, and/or laws - i believe - is what has this country in the state it is. stand by your ideals, that's great, but there is no way possible that you can completely agree with EVERY idea premised by one party or another.

sorry i know this is off topic but it's something that i felt compelled to share with you. it's hurtful for me that i can't have any sort of political discussion with my family because they have closed their minds.
zombieslayer
14 years ago
4Pack - right on. People who vote straight party lines, I want to slap them upside their heads. It's people who vote straight party lines that I think are stupid, not the other way around.

For those who vote straight party lines, I have a bridge to sell you. Real good deal.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Tell your mother that a conservative is nothing more than a liberal 10 years behind, and see what happens.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (2-Mar) : Jets taking calls for Davante Adams. That $38m cap number hurting lol
Zero2Cool (2-Mar) : Guess it's not official until the 12th
Zero2Cool (2-Mar) : Deebo went for a 5th to Commanders?
Martha Careful (1-Mar) : Just like my late husband!!
Zero2Cool (1-Mar) : Once fired up, it should be good
Zero2Cool (1-Mar) : Sometimes, the first page load will be slow. it's firing up the site.
Martha Careful (1-Mar) : The site is operating much faster...tyvm
Mucky Tundra (28-Feb) : It's the offseason and the draft is still nearly 2 months away, what can ya do?🤷‍♂️
Zero2Cool (27-Feb) : NFL teams were notified today that the 2025 salary cap has been set at $279,200,000 per club.
Zero2Cool (27-Feb) : sssllllooooow
Martha Careful (27-Feb) : is it just me, or has the website been slow the last couple of days?
buckeyepackfan (26-Feb) : Damnit 2026 2nd rnd pick!
buckeyepackfan (26-Feb) : Packers get Myles Garret and Browns 2926 2nd rnd pick.
buckeyepackfan (26-Feb) : Browns get Jaire, + Packers #1 2025 pick and 2026 3rd rnd pick.
beast (26-Feb) : Rams trying to trade Stafford and Kupp, then signing Rodgers and Adams? Just speculation, but interesting
Zero2Cool (26-Feb) : Packers shopping Jaire Alexander per Ian Rapoport
Zero2Cool (25-Feb) : Gutekunst and Jaire Alexander’s agent, John Thornton, are meeting this week in Indianapolis to determine the future of the Packers’ 28-year-
Zero2Cool (25-Feb) : Gutekunst says Mark Murphy told him he can trade their first-round pick despite the draft being in Green Bay.
Zero2Cool (24-Feb) : Packers. 🤦
Zero2Cool (24-Feb) : One team.
Zero2Cool (24-Feb) : One team petition NFL to ban Brotherly Shove.
beast (23-Feb) : Seems like he was just pissed because he was no longer the starter
beast (23-Feb) : Campbell is right, he's rich and he doesn't have to explain sh!t... but that attitude gives teams reasons to never sign him again.
dfosterf (22-Feb) : I have some doubt about all that
dfosterf (22-Feb) : I read De'Vondre Campbell's tweet this morning (via the New York Post) Florio says that if he invested his earnings wisely, he will be good
beast (20-Feb) : I haven't followed, but I believe he's good when healthy, just hasn't been able to stay healthy.
dfosterf (20-Feb) : Hasn"t Bosa missed more games than he has played in the last 3 years?
Mucky Tundra (19-Feb) : He hasn't been too bad when healthy but I don't feel like I ever heard much about when he is
Zero2Cool (19-Feb) : Felt like he was more interested in his body, than football. He flashed more than I expected
Zero2Cool (19-Feb) : When he was coming out, I thought he'd be flash in pan.
Mucky Tundra (19-Feb) : Joey seems so forgettable compared to his brother for some reason
Zero2Cool (19-Feb) : NFL informed teams today that the 2025 salary cap will be roughly $277.5M-$281.5M
Zero2Cool (19-Feb) : Los Angeles Chargers are likely to release DE Joey Bosa this off-season as a cap casualty, per league source.
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : If the exploit is not fixed, we'll see tons of "50 top free agents, 50 perfect NFL team fits: We picked where each should sign in March" lo
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : Issue should be solved, database cleaned and held strong working / meeting. Boom!
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : It should be halted now.
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : usually spambots are trying to get traffic to shady websites filled with spyware; the two links being spammed were to the Packers website
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : you know when you put it that way combined with the links it was spamming (to the official Packers website)
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : Yep. You can do that with holding down ENTER on a command in Console of browser
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : even with the rapid fire posts?
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : I'm not certain it's a bot.
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : I've got to go to work soon which is a pity because I'm enthralled by this battle between the bot and Zero
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : Yeah, I see what that did. Kind of funny.
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : now it's a link to Wes Hodkiezwicz mailbag
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : Now they're back with another topic
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : oh lol
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : I have a script that purges them now.
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : 118 Topics with Message.
Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : what's 118 (besides a number)?
Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : They got 118 slapped in there.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
Eagles
Recent Topics
1h / Random Babble / dfosterf

3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

2-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

2-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

1-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

1-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

1-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

28-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

28-Feb / Around The NFL / Martha Careful

27-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

27-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

26-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

26-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

24-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.