4PackGirl
14 years ago

Tell your mother that a conservative is nothing more than a liberal 10 years behind, and see what happens.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



:thumbleft: i'll try that some time - when she's in a good mood & nothing sharp can be thrown at me. lol.
Formo
14 years ago

Do you think that Bush's 'War on Terror' and 911 had anything to do with the federal budget increase while he was the Commander in-Chief?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Of course it did -- and creating the Department of Homeland Security, among other things. Heck, I was the beneficiary of a lot of those spending increases, as my pay went up almost every year under the Bush Administration (though Bush did press for the abolishment of combat pays, which Congress shot down).

That is beside the point. The point is that Republicans squawk at Democrats for proposed spending increases, despite the fact that the federal budget tripled under a Republican administration and Republican Congress. Regardless of what the proximate causes of the increased spending may have been, the fact remains that Republicans are no more fiscally responsible than Democrats. Their protests of indignation are simply political posturing.

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I wasn't trying to imply anything, just FYI. Just wanted to know. I assumed it had alot to do with the budget increasing, but didn't know for sure.
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porky88
14 years ago

I always laugh when i hear that democrats want a "distribution of wealth".
I can understand why rich people don't like what the dems are trying to do. Kind of a "Robin Hood" approach. They always make it sound like rich people are "E-VIL!!!"
If it wasn't for rich people, there would be no companies for the rest of us to work for. Most of the rich people worked hard to earn what they have. What right does the government have to grab into their pockets? Just because they have more money then the average person?
It's NOT fair or right to punish the rich because they have more, is it?
I mean, they should pay their fair share, but ONLY their fair share.

And believe me, i'm NOT a rich guy. I have to sweat week to week to pay bills.

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I don't think this question can be answered without looking at history and how that wealth was acquired. Upon on who's backs was that wealth made and were those people compensated properly. I know the popular approach to this is that we just need to move forward and forget the past, but don't sign me up for that.

With all the glory and wonderful things this country has and has done for others, we have some real ugliness in our short history as a country, wounds exist that have never been cleansed.

So when there is talk about "redistribution of wealth", the biggest opponents to it are those that don't know shit about their own country's history, yet alone how the kingdom they get to enjoy was created and who was stepped on to acquire it.

"Cheesey" wrote:



I think what he's getting at is the Dems letting the Bush tax cuts expire on the wealthy, which means they''ll pay the same rates they paid under Bill Clinton. While they say the money they bring in will help balance the budget, I'm sure they'll find something to spend it on.

Though I hardly call it redistributing of wealth or socialism. As pointed out, there are tons of programs in existence already and none of them will be going away anytime soon regardless of the party in power.
doddpower
14 years ago

Yes, the federal government expanded more under Bush than at any time since the Johnson Administration implemented the Great Society programs, which represented the largest expansion of the federal government since the New Deal programs.

Incredibly, there are some New Deal programs that are still in place. Old bureaucracies never die -- they simply get buried under new layers of bureaucracy.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



But yet we are supposed to believe that the Republicans / Tea Party are going to totally go against the proof on the table of 8 years of significant power and "stop big government??" What a joke. How could anyone possibly buy that? It wasn't that long ago.

It's just political posturing. Nothing else.

You all should check out this site. I have no idea how correct or valid all of its points are, but it's certainly worth looking into. To this point, they state that the Obama administration has kept 121 campaign promises and broken 22. Of course there are many stalled or still in the works, as well. I hope to verify more of their claims when I get time.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/ 
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Cheesey
14 years ago
The truth is, either party will say what it thinks the people want to hear. But when they get in power, you see the REAL things they plan to do.
Obama ran on "Change". Yet it's the same old same old. That's the truth.

I WISH that SOMEONE would get in that would make government ACCOUNTABLE for the (our) money they take in and spend. Again, if the government was a company, they would have gone out of business long ago based on their "spend spend spend" tactics.
Someday, they will have it come back and bite them (AND us) in the butt.
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14 years ago
I'm always amazed when people think "private sector rich" always means evil and nefarious, as if every rich person was somehow Gordon Gekko.

Especially when they hold up for example Congressmen, Senators, and the like. WHo have not done anything in their life except drink at the public trough...
...and yet find ways to accumulate wealth in amazing quantities.

I don't know whether Koch bankrolled the Tea Party or not. And frankly I don't care. Its his money. He can spend it as he wishes. And given the way the pinheads of the media act whenever people spend money on something they don't like, I see no reason he should be expected to reveal what he's doing.

If it's a dumb political investment, he'll go the route of John Connally. And if it's a good political investment, good for him.

Every day I wonder more why people pay so much attention to the pinheads of the media and the intelligentsia. The last 50 years of public and higher education in this country has a lot to answer for -- I sometimes think we are a nation of ignorant boobs.

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Formo
14 years ago
I love boobs.
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14 years ago

I love boobs.

"Formo" wrote:



I do too, but I realized in an unhealthy way. I have carried on relationships much longer than they should have been carried on because the other party had a nice pair. I have done this on more than one occasion.

It still amazes me the power of a nice pair. Trumps both brains and brawn.
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