The Billionaires Bankrolling the Tea Party· Page 5

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

Do you think that Bush's 'War on Terror' and 911 had anything to do with the federal budget increase while he was the Commander in-Chief?

"Formo" wrote:

Of course it did -- and creating the Department of Homeland Security, among other things. Heck, I was the beneficiary of a lot of those spending increases, as my pay went up almost every year under the Bush Administration (though Bush did press for the abolishment of combat pays, which Congress shot down).

That is beside the point. The point is that Republicans squawk at Democrats for proposed spending increases, despite the fact that the federal budget tripled under a Republican administration and Republican Congress. Regardless of what the proximate causes of the increased spending may have been, the fact remains that Republicans are no more fiscally responsible than Democrats. Their protests of indignation are simply political posturing.

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

#42

Why do you hate freedom?

"Rockmolder" wrote:

What can I say? I hate kittens and baby seals, too. It's a disease, I tell you.

Wade
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#43

1. The biggest enemy of libertarianism are Libertarians-with-a-capital-L.
2. I'm more anarchist, than libertarian, I guess. But what I really am is anti-statist.
3. A book to recommend for anyone: Robert Higgs' Crisis and Leviathan. It'll show you just how much the typical response of Americans to crisis in the last century or so has been to temporarily forgo freedom only to accept later a temporary reduction become permanent as the natural state of affairs. Homeland Security and whatever Obamoids are up to -- these are just the latest in a long string of ceding freedom.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

doddpower
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#44

Isn't the Department of Homeland Security created under Bush one of the biggest (and quickest) expansions of the federal government to date? Doesn't seem like 'small government.'

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

#45

Yes, the federal government expanded more under Bush than at any time since the Johnson Administration implemented the Great Society programs, which represented the largest expansion of the federal government since the New Deal programs.

Incredibly, there are some New Deal programs that are still in place. Old bureaucracies never die -- they simply get buried under new layers of bureaucracy.

DakotaT
Select Member

14 years ago

#46

I always laugh when i hear that democrats want a "distribution of wealth".
I can understand why rich people don't like what the dems are trying to do. Kind of a "Robin Hood" approach. They always make it sound like rich people are "E-VIL!!!"
If it wasn't for rich people, there would be no companies for the rest of us to work for. Most of the rich people worked hard to earn what they have. What right does the government have to grab into their pockets? Just because they have more money then the average person?
It's NOT fair or right to punish the rich because they have more, is it?
I mean, they should pay their fair share, but ONLY their fair share.

And believe me, i'm NOT a rich guy. I have to sweat week to week to pay bills.

"Cheesey" wrote:

I don't think this question can be answered without looking at history and how that wealth was acquired. Upon on who's backs was that wealth made and were those people compensated properly. I know the popular approach to this is that we just need to move forward and forget the past, but don't sign me up for that.

With all the glory and wonderful things this country has and has done for others, we have some real ugliness in our short history as a country, wounds exist that have never been cleansed.

So when there is talk about "redistribution of wealth", the biggest opponents to it are those that don't know shit about their own country's history, yet alone how the kingdom they get to enjoy was created and who was stepped on to acquire it.

zombieslayer
Registered

14 years ago

#47

"Wade" wrote:

Ah. I didn't think of it that way but I think I'm with Wade, more anti-statist than libertarian. My biggest fear has always been a police state, and logically the government has to be big to be brutish. A small brutish government won't survive very long.

I'll have to read that book.

Rock - That was too funny (the "why do you hate freedom?"). Neo-cons instead of attacking your argument will resort to calling you anti-American or a hater of Freedom, despite the fact that they pretty much do nothing good for American interests.

I'm now wondering who I hate more, neo-cons or liberals.

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4PackGirl
Registered

14 years ago

#48

ya know what i hate more than anything? the fact that my ultra conservative mother feels the need to forward hate emails to all her ultra conservative friends & family without a thought to whether anything encompassed in said emails are true, facts, opinion, or complete fallacies. and in my OWN home, i am made to feel less than 'intelligent' because i don't claim either of the big parties. she actually is MAD at me because i'm not an ultra conservative republican. she votes straight party tickets all the time. i would be equally as irritated if she was a liberal democrat. closing ones mind to the possibility that any given party on any given day can truly make good choices, changes, and/or laws - i believe - is what has this country in the state it is. stand by your ideals, that's great, but there is no way possible that you can completely agree with EVERY idea premised by one party or another.

sorry i know this is off topic but it's something that i felt compelled to share with you. it's hurtful for me that i can't have any sort of political discussion with my family because they have closed their minds.

zombieslayer
Registered

14 years ago

#49

4Pack - right on. People who vote straight party lines, I want to slap them upside their heads. It's people who vote straight party lines that I think are stupid, not the other way around.

For those who vote straight party lines, I have a bridge to sell you. Real good deal.

My man Donald Driver

(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

#50

Tell your mother that a conservative is nothing more than a liberal 10 years behind, and see what happens.

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