Wade
  • Wade
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14 years ago

Huh? Or was that getting back at my Dutch windmill crack? :)

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Pointing out that people should look beyond the usual suspects.

Soon you'll all bow before our mighty Dutch feet.

Or not, because you spoiled it for us.

"Wade" wrote:



You had your chance. And you let the Brits whoop you.
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Wade
  • Wade
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14 years ago
My smartass comments to Rock aside, Americans would do well to look carefully at the later history of either Holland or England during the late life of their respective East India companies.

Either provides a great cautionary tale for anyone who wishes to see when economics and the pursuit of power get treated as one and the same.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
I could not have said it better, Wade. Empires, particularly mercantilistic empires, always fall. Always.
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all_about_da_packers
14 years ago

Either provides a great cautionary tale for anyone who wishes to see when economics and the pursuit of power get treated as one and the same.

"Wade" wrote:



I could not have said it better, Wade. Empires, particularly mercantilistic empires, always fall. Always.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:




+1 to you both.

Particularly interesting you mentioned Holland, seeing as I recently have had to work through and provide feedback for one of my Professor's works based on the economy of Indonesia, Java in particular. Quite a bit of background was included regarding Dutch colonies there, was some fascinating stuff.

And reading about the British Empire, especially during the later stages of Colonialism through to the stages of the two great World Wars, is a (secret-nerdy) passion of mine.
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all_about_da_packers
14 years ago
I generally try to stay away from giving my opinions on these things, but one post in particular I completely agree with:


In the next 25-50, there is going to be huge, positively huge demand for oil and natural gas. And there's this amazingly huge, largely untapped, supply of both sitting there beneath all the anarchy.

"Wade" wrote:



Oil, and more generally the quality of being able to produce energy at our convenience / time of choosing to meet demand - when the people as consumers demand it that is - will, I think, be a big, big factor in leading to the third great war, if there ever is one.

As a species, humans have been spoiled by having the ability to have energy (be is electricity, or gasoline, or what have you) on-demand. The sources to produce such energy are only so much. I personally do not see us as a species shifting from our desire to have energy when we so deem it necessary to use... meaning eventually when the sources to produce such energy become scarcer and scarcer, the need to have in your possession such sources will also rise higher and higher.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
A competing theory is that the proximate cause of the next major world conflict will be water -- or more specifically, the scarcity thereof. Perhaps it will be a combination of those causes, lack of both energy and water.

It's doubtful the world will ever see a world war on the scale of World War I or II ever again, though. There is a fundamental difference in the geopolitical situation of today as compared with that of the previous eras. In those days, there were formal international treaties that obligated countries to declare war in the event their allies declared war. In effect, those world wars were triggered automatically. No such analogous situation exists today.

If I had to speculate, however, I would say that any future world conflict will pit Europe and North (perhaps also South) America against Southeast Asia, probably in alliance with Russia. The Islamic world will be pitted somewhere in the middle, splintered in alliance with whichever faction countries find most strategically advantageous. I don't see the Islamic community functioning as a unified bloc in event of a global conflict. They don't have the strategic resources (other than oil) or the culture of innovation to survive on their own.
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Cheesey
14 years ago
it still amazes me that intelligent people think Iran or N. Korea are nothing to fear. Of course intelligent people thought Japan was nothing to fear too. Or because Germany was SO far away, they were nothing to fear either.

Putting weapons like they now have in the hands of nut cases IS something to fear. They might not be able to wipe out the entire U.S., but they could take out enough cities here to kill millions.
But if it's not MY city, why should i care, right?

SAME thing with "gun control" nuts. They want more strict gun control laws.....but they don't want to accept that the only people that will obey those laws are LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. It;s the NUT JOB that doesn't obey the laws that you have to worry about. Just like Korea and Iran.
Not keeping watch on people like that is a good way to get yourself killed.
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all_about_da_packers
14 years ago

A competing theory is that the proximate cause of the next major world conflict will be water -- or more specifically, the scarcity thereof. Perhaps it will be a combination of those causes, lack of both energy and water.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



That is indeed an interesting theory, and one which worries me on the basis of global warming possibly factoring into the onset of more natural disasters, such as floods on the scale of those Pakistan is currently experiencing. Here, a clear lack of clean and drinkable water becomes a paramount issue.

Interestingly, having a mother with ties to India leaves me less concerned about water being the cause of the next great world war. I mean in villages and slums you get to see not only some of the most deplorable conditions humankind has to live in, but simultaneously some of the most remarkable human ingenuity in regards to dealing with lack of clean water. I mean the sources that some people find for clean water - aside from stealing from shop owners - are remarkable: using makeshift pumps to get water from the ground, finding water reservoirs natural to plants, etc.


Add that to the fact that - as sad as it is to say this - those who cannot obtain the cleanest of drinking water seem to build up some form of resistance to some of the germs and bacteria commonly found in water... and I am left a bit skeptical at the idea that a water shortage could spark the next great war.

Admittedly though, I have begun to rethink my position in light of research indicating that with the onset of global warming, more natural disasters will ensue. In addition, I will readily admit that I have given little time to perusing scholarly research on the shortage of clean and drinkable water. In fact, any time I have spent reading through such works has been in regards to drawing out material for my own research about the consequences of making water a human right. I'd welcome any articles you may be able to link to that further explore the scarcity of water.
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all_about_da_packers
14 years ago


It's doubtful the world will ever see a world war on the scale of World War I or II ever again, though. There is a fundamental difference in the geopolitical situation of today as compared with that of the previous eras. In those days, there were formal international treaties that obligated countries to declare war in the event their allies declared war. In effect, those world wars were triggered automatically. No such analogous situation exists today.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:




I totally echo your thoughts. I would also add that a concerted effort by nations to respect the UN Declaration of Human Rights, or at least the spirit of that Declaration, would also limit the possibility of having a great war on the scale of WWI and WWII; but this is a secondary aspect to the fact that the geopolitical landscape today does not parallel the one that existed during those World Wars.
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Porforis
14 years ago

it still amazes me that intelligent people think Iran or N. Korea are nothing to fear. Of course intelligent people thought Japan was nothing to fear too. Or because Germany was SO far away, they were nothing to fear either.

"Cheesey" wrote:



I'm not saying that Iran and NK aren't a potential devastating threat, but to compare them to WWII Germany or Japan is a bit of a stretch. Neither country has even close to the sheer forces or ability to project itself internationally that Germany and Japan did. With these regimes, it's all about unconventional and nuclear mayhem, which can only do so much damage.

Putting weapons like they now have in the hands of nut cases IS something to fear. They might not be able to wipe out the entire U.S., but they could take out enough cities here to kill millions.
But if it's not MY city, why should i care, right?

"Cheesey" wrote:



Nobody's suggesting that we should give Kim Jong more nukes and some missiles to strap them to, or that a few million deaths are something to scoff at. However, please try to remember the death tolls in the first two world wars. A bit of a difference there, and could have been a whole lot worse.

SAME thing with "gun control" nuts. They want more strict gun control laws.....but they don't want to accept that the only people that will obey those laws are LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. It;s the NUT JOB that doesn't obey the laws that you have to worry about. Just like Korea and Iran.
Not keeping watch on people like that is a good way to get yourself killed

"Cheesey" wrote:



Not really going to comment on this as this has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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