Dells accident leads to arrest

Pack93z
Select Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

I wonder how this will impact the operation of thrill rides.. if an operator can be charged with a crime in an accident.. I think it will be harder, spell more expensive, to find help that will operate the rides.

As far as I have read is he wasn't under the influence of anything.. but a bad decision or timing that resulted in a tragic accident.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/100984689.html

A 33-year-old Lake Delton man has been charged with first-degree reckless injury in connection with a July 30 incident in which a 12-year-old Florida girl was injured in an amusement park ride.

The Sauk County District attorney's office charged Charles A. Carnell with a felony in the incident. Carnell was taken into custody, according to Lake Delton police.

The accident involving Teagan Marti, of Parkland, Fla., occurred when Carnell was operating a free-fall ride at Extreme World amusements. Authorities said Carnell released Teagan too soon from a platform, causing her to fall to the ground instead of into an elevated safety net.

Police had ruled that operator error was the cause of the accident.

Teagan landed on her back, but survived. She is expected to have some paralysis from the fall.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Wanna join the discussion?! Login to your PACKERSHOME forum account or Register a new forum account

zombieslayer
Registered

14 years ago

Yikes. Disney has had lawsuits but they have the lawyers to protect them. No idea how this will affect the "smaller guys."

What does scare me is that the guy made a mistake and he's being charged personally instead of the company. Would be different if the guy did it intentionally, which according to this article wasn't the case.

My man Donald Driver

(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

Pack93z
Select Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

What does scare me is that the guy made a mistake and he's being charged personally instead of the company. Would be different if the guy did it intentionally, which according to this article wasn't the case.

"zombieslayer" wrote:

Yep... that was my thought.. which is why I think this will have a huge impact in hiring people to run such rides..

I think it will be interesting to see how this case goes..

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

14 years ago

Well, assuming the company is incorporated, they can't charge the officers of the corporation. So it's either charge the corporation itself, which isn't likely to fare well in court, or charge the peon who caused the injury and isn't covered by the corporate veil. I still think it's a cheap move, however. Given that there is no evidence of intent, why is this a criminal and not a civil case? The only good thing for the employee is that the standard of proof is much higher in a criminal than a civil case. I'm guessing his lawyer will advise him to plead it down anyway.

Pack93z
Select Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

The only good thing for the employee is that the standard of proof is much higher in a criminal than a civil case. I'm guessing his lawyer will advise him to plead it down anyway.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Not really.. now he will have to defend himself and pay for it twice.. once in criminal and once in civil.. because listening to the father.. a civil suit is in the making.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

14 years ago

Maybe his lawyer will be good enough to get the criminal trial dismissed pending the civil case.

Wade
Veteran Member

14 years ago

You expect prosecutors/legislators to know the difference between a tort and a crime? After a couple of generations spent making the first into the second.

And people call *me* naive.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

Pack93z
Select Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

Have we really slipped that far down the slope? Nevermind.. don't answer that.. it would be anti PC to answer such.. and maybe according to some politician against the law somehow.. lol.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Cheesey
Preferred Member

14 years ago

I know it has all kinds of "the owner is not responsible" crap. But if you operate that kind of ride, you had better be sure the guy running it knows what the heck he is doing.
Not having the net in place when you drop someone?
I'd say that's negligence at least.

Wade
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#10

Negligence though is a tort, a wrong committed against another person. So is "gross negilgence" or "recklessness"

Making it a crime says it is an offense against society, or, more precisely, the State of Wisconsin.

The law distinguishes the two. And, IMO, it should.

The prosecutor, who is charged with protecting society's interest, not the interest of individuals harmed by tortious behavior, has no business getting involved.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

packerfanoutwest (4h) : NFL told Bears that Packers’ blocked field goal was legal

packerfanoutwest (20h) : 49ers are underdogs at Packers, ending streak of 36 straight games as favorites

Zero2Cool (22-Nov) : 49ers might be down their QB, DL, TE and LT?

packerfanoutwest (22-Nov) : Jaire Alexander says he has a torn PCL

Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : Even with the context it's ... what?

Mucky Tundra (20-Nov) : Matt LaFleur without context: “I don’t wanna pat you on the butt and you poop in my hand.”

beast (20-Nov) : We brought in a former Packers OL coach to help evaluate OL as a scout

beast (20-Nov) : Jets have been pretty good at picking DL

Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He landed good players thanks to high draft slot. He isn't good.

Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He can shove his knowledge up his ass. He knows nothing.

beast (20-Nov) : More knowledge, just like bring in the Jets head coach

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : What? Why? Huh?

beast (19-Nov) : I wonder if the Packers might to try to bring Douglas in through Milt Hendrickson/Ravens connections

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : The Jets fired Joe Douglas, per sources

packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Jets are a mess......

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Pretty sure Jets fired their scouting staff and just pluck former Packers.

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Jets sign Anders Carlson to their 53.

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : When you cycle the weeks, the total over remains for season. But you get your W/L for that selected week. Confusing.

packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks

packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the totals are accurate..nrvrtmind

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : I don't follow what you are saying. The totals are not the same as last week.

packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : ok so then wht are the totals the same as last week?

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : NFL Pick'em is auto updated when NFL Scores tab is clicked

Martha Careful (19-Nov) : The offense was OK. Let's not forget the Bear defense is very very good.

packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Who updates the leaderboard on NFLPickem?

beast (19-Nov) : Has the Packers offense been worse since the former Jets coach joined the Packers?

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Offense gets his ass in gear, this could be good.

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Backup QB helped with three wins. Special Teams contributed to three wins.

bboystyle (18-Nov) : Lions played outside thats why. They scored 16 and 17 in the only 2 outside games this year

Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : The rest of the NFL is catching up to Packers ... kicking is an issue throughout league

packerfanoutwest (18-Nov) : Packers DL Kenny Clark: We knew 'we were going to block' Bears' game-winning field goal attempt

Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Lions seem to be throttling everyone, but only (only) got 24 lol maybe the rain is why

Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Packers vs Lions game doesn't seem so bad.

beast (18-Nov) : Dennis Green "They are what we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!"

Martha Careful (17-Nov) : comment of the day Z2Cool "Bears better than we want to admit. Packers worse than we think. It's facts."

Mucky Tundra (17-Nov) : my worst case scenario: Bears fix their oline and get a coach like Johnson from the Lions and his scheme

Zero2Cool (17-Nov) : Bears get OL fixed amd we might have a problem

buckeyepackfan (17-Nov) : Pretty sure they already have scouting reports on guys who aren't even starting for their college team. The future is now for me.

buckeyepackfan (17-Nov) : I tend to let Gute and Co. Worry about the future.

beast (17-Nov) : That's great news and Packers need to keep upgrading their OL, DL and DBs this off-season, so missing one guy doesn't kill them

buckeyepackfan (17-Nov) : Jaire and Evans Williams are both ACTIVE! Good news.

Martha Careful (17-Nov) : The badgers really need to change the whole offensive scheme. No draws no screens plus the quarterback is marginal

Cheesey (17-Nov) : If the Badgers had a decent QB, they would have won. The guy can't hit a wide open receiver

Martha Careful (17-Nov) : chop block

Martha Careful (17-Nov) : there was a very questionable job Block call that upon viewing replay was very borderline

beast (17-Nov) : How so? (I didn't watch)

Zero2Cool (17-Nov) : Badgers got hosed vs Oregon

packerfanoutwest (16-Nov) : damn,he hasn't played since week 2

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2024 Packers Schedule

Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM

Eagles

29 - 34

Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM

COLTS

16 - 10

Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM

Titans

30 - 14

Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

29 - 31

Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM

Rams

24 - 19

Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM

CARDINALS

34 - 13

Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM

TEXANS

24 - 22

Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM

Jaguars

30 - 27

Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

14 - 24

Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM

Bears

20 - 19

Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM

49ERS

Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM

DOLPHINS

Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM

Lions

Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM

Seahawks

Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM

SAINTS

Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM

Vikings

Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM

BEARS