Dells accident leads to arrest

Pack93z
Select Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

I wonder how this will impact the operation of thrill rides.. if an operator can be charged with a crime in an accident.. I think it will be harder, spell more expensive, to find help that will operate the rides.

As far as I have read is he wasn't under the influence of anything.. but a bad decision or timing that resulted in a tragic accident.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/100984689.html

A 33-year-old Lake Delton man has been charged with first-degree reckless injury in connection with a July 30 incident in which a 12-year-old Florida girl was injured in an amusement park ride.

The Sauk County District attorney's office charged Charles A. Carnell with a felony in the incident. Carnell was taken into custody, according to Lake Delton police.

The accident involving Teagan Marti, of Parkland, Fla., occurred when Carnell was operating a free-fall ride at Extreme World amusements. Authorities said Carnell released Teagan too soon from a platform, causing her to fall to the ground instead of into an elevated safety net.

Police had ruled that operator error was the cause of the accident.

Teagan landed on her back, but survived. She is expected to have some paralysis from the fall.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Wanna join the discussion?! Login to your PACKERSHOME forum account or Register a new forum account

zombieslayer
Registered

14 years ago

Yikes. Disney has had lawsuits but they have the lawyers to protect them. No idea how this will affect the "smaller guys."

What does scare me is that the guy made a mistake and he's being charged personally instead of the company. Would be different if the guy did it intentionally, which according to this article wasn't the case.

My man Donald Driver

(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

Pack93z
Select Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

What does scare me is that the guy made a mistake and he's being charged personally instead of the company. Would be different if the guy did it intentionally, which according to this article wasn't the case.

"zombieslayer" wrote:

Yep... that was my thought.. which is why I think this will have a huge impact in hiring people to run such rides..

I think it will be interesting to see how this case goes..

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

14 years ago

Well, assuming the company is incorporated, they can't charge the officers of the corporation. So it's either charge the corporation itself, which isn't likely to fare well in court, or charge the peon who caused the injury and isn't covered by the corporate veil. I still think it's a cheap move, however. Given that there is no evidence of intent, why is this a criminal and not a civil case? The only good thing for the employee is that the standard of proof is much higher in a criminal than a civil case. I'm guessing his lawyer will advise him to plead it down anyway.

Pack93z
Select Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

The only good thing for the employee is that the standard of proof is much higher in a criminal than a civil case. I'm guessing his lawyer will advise him to plead it down anyway.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Not really.. now he will have to defend himself and pay for it twice.. once in criminal and once in civil.. because listening to the father.. a civil suit is in the making.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

14 years ago

Maybe his lawyer will be good enough to get the criminal trial dismissed pending the civil case.

Wade
Veteran Member

14 years ago

You expect prosecutors/legislators to know the difference between a tort and a crime? After a couple of generations spent making the first into the second.

And people call *me* naive.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

Pack93z
Select Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

Have we really slipped that far down the slope? Nevermind.. don't answer that.. it would be anti PC to answer such.. and maybe according to some politician against the law somehow.. lol.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Cheesey
Preferred Member

14 years ago

I know it has all kinds of "the owner is not responsible" crap. But if you operate that kind of ride, you had better be sure the guy running it knows what the heck he is doing.
Not having the net in place when you drop someone?
I'd say that's negligence at least.

Wade
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#10

Negligence though is a tort, a wrong committed against another person. So is "gross negilgence" or "recklessness"

Making it a crime says it is an offense against society, or, more precisely, the State of Wisconsin.

The law distinguishes the two. And, IMO, it should.

The prosecutor, who is charged with protecting society's interest, not the interest of individuals harmed by tortious behavior, has no business getting involved.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

Zero2Cool (5h) : Seems some are flocking to BlueSky and leaving Tweeter. I wonder if BlueSky allows embeded lists

beast (12-Nov) : He's a review guy

Zero2Cool (12-Nov) : Jordy Nelson is still in the NFL.

Zero2Cool (11-Nov) : Ok, will do.

wpr (11-Nov) : Kevin, donate it to a local food pantry or whatever she wants to do with it. Thanks

wpr (11-Nov) : Kevin,

Zero2Cool (11-Nov) : Wayne, got your girl scout order.

dfosterf (11-Nov) : I believe Zero was being sarcastic

dfosterf (11-Nov) : Due to that rookie kicker Jake Bates that Zero said "he didn't want anyway". 58 yarder to tie the game, 52 yarder to win it. In fairness,

Mucky Tundra (11-Nov) : Lions escape with a win

Mucky Tundra (11-Nov) : and now Goff looking better

Mucky Tundra (11-Nov) : Goff with ANOTHER INT

Mucky Tundra (11-Nov) : and now Stroud throwing INTs

Mucky Tundra (11-Nov) : Goff having an ATROCIOUS game

wpr (11-Nov) : Happy birthday Corps. Ever faithful. Thanks dfosterf.

Mucky Tundra (10-Nov) : stiff armed by Baker Mayfield for about 5-7 yards and still managed to get a pass off

Mucky Tundra (10-Nov) : Nick Bosa

wpr (8-Nov) : Jets are Packers (L)East

Zero2Cool (8-Nov) : Jets released K Riley Patterson and signed K Anders Carlson to the practice squad.

wpr (8-Nov) : Thanks guys

Mucky Tundra (7-Nov) : Happy Birthday wpr!

Zero2Cool (7-Nov) : Anders Carlson ... released by 49ers

dfosterf (7-Nov) : Happy Birthday!😊😊😊

wpr (7-Nov) : Thanks Kevin.

Zero2Cool (7-Nov) : Happy Birthday, Wayne! 🎉🎂🥳

beast (7-Nov) : Edge Rushers is the same... it's not the 4-3 vs 3-4 change, it's the Hafley's version of the 4-3... as all 32 teams are actually 4-2

Zero2Cool (6-Nov) : OLB to DE and player requests trade. Yet folks say they are same.

beast (5-Nov) : In other news, the Green Bay Packers have signed Zero2Cool to update their website 😋 jk

beast (5-Nov) : Might just re-sign the kicker we got

beast (5-Nov) : Are there any kickers worth drafting next year?

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Preston Smith for Malik Willis

Mucky Tundra (5-Nov) : Getting a 7th rounder from the Stillers

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : At least we get 7th round pick now!! HELLO NEW KICKER

Mucky Tundra (5-Nov) : Steelers getting a premier lockdown corner!

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Packers are trading edge rusher Preston Smith to the Pittsburgh Steelers, per sources.

Mucky Tundra (5-Nov) : Preston Smith traded to the Steelers!!!!

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : CB Marshon Lattimore to Commanders

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Bears are sending RB Khalil Herbert to the Bengals, per sources.

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : ZaDarius Smith continues his "north" tour.

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Let the Chiefs trade a 5th for him

Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Nearing 30, large contract, nope.

Martha Careful (5-Nov) : any interest in Marshon Lattimore?

Zero2Cool (4-Nov) : What does NFL do if they're over cap?

Mucky Tundra (4-Nov) : They've been able to constantly push it out through extensions, void years etc but they're in the hole by 72 million next year I believe

hardrocker950 (4-Nov) : Seems the Saints are always in cap hell

Mucky Tundra (4-Nov) : Saints HC job is not an envious one; gonna be in cap hell for 3 years

Mucky Tundra (4-Nov) : Dennis Allen has now been fired twice mid-season with Derek Carr as his starting QB

Zero2Cool (4-Nov) : Kuhn let go

beast (4-Nov) : I wonder if the Packers would have any interest in Z. Smith, probably not

Zero2Cool (4-Nov) : Shefter says Browns and Lions will figure out how to get a deal done for Za'Darius Smith..

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2024 Packers Schedule

Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM

Eagles

29 - 34

Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM

COLTS

16 - 10

Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM

Titans

30 - 14

Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

29 - 31

Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM

Rams

24 - 19

Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM

CARDINALS

34 - 13

Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM

TEXANS

24 - 22

Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM

Jaguars

30 - 27

Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

14 - 24

Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM

Bears

Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM

49ERS

Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM

DOLPHINS

Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM

Lions

Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM

Seahawks

Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM

SAINTS

Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM

Vikings

Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM

BEARS