Dells accident leads to arrest

Pack93z
Select Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

I wonder how this will impact the operation of thrill rides.. if an operator can be charged with a crime in an accident.. I think it will be harder, spell more expensive, to find help that will operate the rides.

As far as I have read is he wasn't under the influence of anything.. but a bad decision or timing that resulted in a tragic accident.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/100984689.html

A 33-year-old Lake Delton man has been charged with first-degree reckless injury in connection with a July 30 incident in which a 12-year-old Florida girl was injured in an amusement park ride.

The Sauk County District attorney's office charged Charles A. Carnell with a felony in the incident. Carnell was taken into custody, according to Lake Delton police.

The accident involving Teagan Marti, of Parkland, Fla., occurred when Carnell was operating a free-fall ride at Extreme World amusements. Authorities said Carnell released Teagan too soon from a platform, causing her to fall to the ground instead of into an elevated safety net.

Police had ruled that operator error was the cause of the accident.

Teagan landed on her back, but survived. She is expected to have some paralysis from the fall.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Wanna join the discussion?! Login to your PACKERSHOME forum account or Register a new forum account

zombieslayer
Registered

14 years ago

Yikes. Disney has had lawsuits but they have the lawyers to protect them. No idea how this will affect the "smaller guys."

What does scare me is that the guy made a mistake and he's being charged personally instead of the company. Would be different if the guy did it intentionally, which according to this article wasn't the case.

My man Donald Driver

(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

Pack93z
Select Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

What does scare me is that the guy made a mistake and he's being charged personally instead of the company. Would be different if the guy did it intentionally, which according to this article wasn't the case.

"zombieslayer" wrote:

Yep... that was my thought.. which is why I think this will have a huge impact in hiring people to run such rides..

I think it will be interesting to see how this case goes..

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

14 years ago

Well, assuming the company is incorporated, they can't charge the officers of the corporation. So it's either charge the corporation itself, which isn't likely to fare well in court, or charge the peon who caused the injury and isn't covered by the corporate veil. I still think it's a cheap move, however. Given that there is no evidence of intent, why is this a criminal and not a civil case? The only good thing for the employee is that the standard of proof is much higher in a criminal than a civil case. I'm guessing his lawyer will advise him to plead it down anyway.

Pack93z
Select Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

The only good thing for the employee is that the standard of proof is much higher in a criminal than a civil case. I'm guessing his lawyer will advise him to plead it down anyway.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Not really.. now he will have to defend himself and pay for it twice.. once in criminal and once in civil.. because listening to the father.. a civil suit is in the making.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

14 years ago

Maybe his lawyer will be good enough to get the criminal trial dismissed pending the civil case.

Wade
Veteran Member

14 years ago

You expect prosecutors/legislators to know the difference between a tort and a crime? After a couple of generations spent making the first into the second.

And people call *me* naive.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

Pack93z
Select Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

Have we really slipped that far down the slope? Nevermind.. don't answer that.. it would be anti PC to answer such.. and maybe according to some politician against the law somehow.. lol.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Cheesey
Preferred Member

14 years ago

I know it has all kinds of "the owner is not responsible" crap. But if you operate that kind of ride, you had better be sure the guy running it knows what the heck he is doing.
Not having the net in place when you drop someone?
I'd say that's negligence at least.

Wade
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#10

Negligence though is a tort, a wrong committed against another person. So is "gross negilgence" or "recklessness"

Making it a crime says it is an offense against society, or, more precisely, the State of Wisconsin.

The law distinguishes the two. And, IMO, it should.

The prosecutor, who is charged with protecting society's interest, not the interest of individuals harmed by tortious behavior, has no business getting involved.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

packerfanoutwest (4h) : Aaron Rodgers’s first pass of first team period was picked off

Mucky Tundra (9h) : tbh I didn't hear of his passing

Zero2Cool (10h) : Cosby Show. Malcom Jamal Warner I think is real name

Mucky Tundra (10h) : I was thinking of Ozzy and Hulk

Mucky Tundra (10h) : Who's Theo?

Zero2Cool (10h) : How is Theo alliteration?

Mucky Tundra (10h) : Bad week for people whose names are alliterations

Zero2Cool (12h) : Hulk Hogan gone too.

Zero2Cool (14h) : Oh, it's toe injury

Zero2Cool (14h) : Hope it's not serious. that would stink

dfosterf (14h) : Sounds like an ankle not a knee for Fields

dfosterf (14h) : Ya Flaccp on Browns

Zero2Cool (14h) : Maybe Tyrod Taylor instead

Zero2Cool (14h) : He's on Browns, right?

dfosterf (14h) : They would probably go with Flacco is my guess if Fields out

dfosterf (14h) : Fleece 'em again!

Zero2Cool (14h) : Malik Willis might be someone Jets come after

packerfanoutwest (14h) : Packers introduce 1923-inspired classic uniform, leather-look helmet

Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Both LB Quay Walker and Rookie DB Micah Robinson have passed their physicals

Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Happy to see site feels more snappy snappy

Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : No sir. I did not.

dfosterf (23-Jul) : You didn't get free childcare when you were at work?

wpr (23-Jul) : These guys make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Pay for their own childcare.

dfosterf (23-Jul) : 2nd issue. Number 1 issue was no gameday childcare. 1 of 3 teams not providing it

Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Suppose if locker room is main issue, we sitting pretty

wpr (23-Jul) : I thought so Mucky. In those useless player polls GB always rates high overall. Locker is a part of it.

Mucky Tundra (23-Jul) : Wasn't the locker room just updated like 6 or 7 years ago?

Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : I have forum updated on different site. We'll see how this one goes before going to that

Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Elgton Jenkins has a back injury, is expect to end contract dispute

wpr (23-Jul) : It's funny the PA complained about the locker room. It wasn't that long ago it was top shelf. Things change in a hurry.

wpr (23-Jul) : The site is much more better.

Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : NFLPA report said Packers lockerroom needed upgrade. Whining bout where you change?

Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : I saw that and thought it was kind of lame.

dfosterf (23-Jul) : Packers new locker room is pretty awesome. Great for morale, imo

Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Shuffled things on the web server. Hope it makes it faster.

Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Other times, it's turtle ass

Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Sometimes it's snappy, like now.

beast (23-Jul) : I feel like it's loading at the top of the next minute, or something like that.

beast (23-Jul) : Also the thanks/heart takes FOREVER to load, and posting in the shout box takes three times FOREVER!

beast (23-Jul) : Thanks for saying something, I thought it was slow, but assumed it was on my end

Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Yeah, I noticed that too. Is it slow for PackerPeople.com too?

wpr (23-Jul) : I don't know what you IT guys call it but the page loading is very slow for me today.

Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : SSL might be settled now.

Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Still working through SSL cert issues

wpr (23-Jul) : Glad to be back

Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : I think PH original finally working.

dfosterf (22-Jul) : Can tell you are having a fun day Kev

Zero2Cool (22-Jul) : Yep, I had to manually move them. It'll fix itself after more posts.

Mucky Tundra (22-Jul) : Same deal with the songs/videos thread, says you replied last but when I go there it's what I posted earlier is last

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2025 Packers Schedule

Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM

COMMANDERS

Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM

Browns

Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM

Cowboys

Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM

BENGALS

Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM

Cardinals

Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM

Steelers

Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM

PANTHERS

Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM

EAGLES

Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM

Giants

Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM

Lions

Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM

BEARS

Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM

Broncos

Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM

Bears

Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM

RAVENS

Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM

Vikings