Pack93z
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15 years ago
First, I don't know that his accomplishments on the field are worth of the Packer HOF.. beyond that..

Do you take any issue with him being included?

Mark Chmura proves himself worthy of Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame
 

Its been nearly a decade since Mark Chmura was acquitted of third-degree sexual assault charges in suburban Milwaukee.

Although Chmura was legally cleared, the reputation of the Green Bay Packers Pro Bowl tight end took a major hit in subsequent years.

Any discussion of prom parties and hot tubs ultimately led to bad or tasteless jokes involving Chmura. His name has been dragged through the mud countless times, and some view him with disdain or disgust.

But the time to move on is long overdue. Chmuras induction into the Packers Hall of Fame on Saturday night at the Lambeau Field Atrium should help in the healing process and serve to formally welcome him back into the Packers family where he belongs.

This is not meant to excuse Chmuras behavior a decade ago. Chmura himself has admitted he was guilty of bad judgment and immature actions. He has apologized, but more importantly, has spent the last 10 years serving as a productive member of society and solid citizen.

For those who dont believe Chmura is worthy of Hall of Fame induction based on character issues, the time has come to let go.

It would be different had Chmura been convicted of a crime, but a jury found him not guilty. The fact he has nevertheless paid a heavy price in the form of public scorn should give those who stand in judgment their pound of flesh.

To his credit, Chmura has never played the victim card and suggested people feel sorry for him.

Instead, in the midst of public ridicule, he picked himself up, gritted his teeth and moved forward. He became a better husband and father and has contributed to his workplace and community.

What more can we possibly ask of him?

Denny Tattum, Packers Hall of Fame vice president of sales and marketing, said a players off-field activities, both good and bad, are taken into account during the selection process.

Chmura, No. 1, was acquitted, said Tattum. Chmura, No. 2, has really been in a lot of ways a staunch supporter of the community he lives in. Professionally hes upheld his part of the program as far as his commitment to the community, his job and his family.

Some choose to dwell on past mistakes and wallow in what-ifs. But one measure of success is how a person responds to adversity and failure. Chmura has passed that test with flying colors.

It would have been easy for Chmura to flee the state, yet he chose to stay among us to begin the painful process of rebuilding his reputation.

Had Chmura continued a pattern of questionable behavior, the critics would have reason to doubt him. But over the past decade Chmura has changed the course of his life by doing the right things.

He was honored not only for his past on-field accomplishments, but also his ability to move on from the past and learn from it.


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DakotaT
15 years ago
There are some things we as a society do not overlook, and hot tubbing with an underaged babysitter would fall into those categories. I've done a lot of stupid shit in my life, so it's not my place to pass judgement on Chmura, but if that were my daughter, he would have had a lot more to deal with than the Waukesha District Attornery. My vote would be no to letting Chmura into the Packer Hall of Fame.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
Man of the Year, no.
Packers Hall of Fame, yes.


I don't know all that went down so it's hard for me to discredit his years on the field for it.
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Pack93z
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15 years ago
Based on his on field performance only?

So Lee and Franks are Pro Bowlers as well in Green Bay history? Comparable numbers...

Fact is.. Chmura was over-rated greatly in Green Bay..

Year  	Age  	Tm  	G  	GS  	Rec  	Yds  	Y/R  	TD  	Lng  	Y/G  
Franks										
2000	22	GNB  	16	13	34	363	10.7	1	27	22.7
2001* 	23	GNB 	16	14	36	322	8.9	9	31	20.1
2002* 	24	GNB 	16	15	54	442	8.2	7	20	27.6
2003* 	25	GNB 	16	15	30	241	8	4	24	15.1
2004	26	GNB 	16	14	34	361	10.6	7	29	22.6
2005	27	GNB 	10	8	25	207	8.3	1	24	20.7
2006	28	GNB 	16	14	25	232	9.3	0	19	14.5
										
Chmura										
1993	24	GNB  	14	0	2	13	6.5	0	7	0.9
1994	25	GNB 	14	4	14	165	11.8	0	27	11.8
1995* 	26	GNB 	16	15	54	679	12.6	7	33	42.4
1996	27	GNB 	13	13	28	370	13.2	0	29	28.5
1997* 	28	GNB 	15	14	38	417	11	6	32	27.8
1998* 	29	GNB 	15	14	47	554	11.8	4	25	36.9
1999	30	GNB 	2	2	5	55	11	0	16	27.5
										
Lee										
2005	25	GNB  	15	5	33	294	8.9	2	27	19.6
2006	26	GNB 	15	2	10	150	15	0	32	10
2007	27	GNB 	15	12	48	575	12	6	60	38.3
2008	28	GNB 	16	14	39	303	7.8	5	26	18.9
2009	29	GNB 	16	10	37	260	7	1	19	16.3

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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
What his presence did for the rest of the offense. He was a good blocker and a force to be considered over the middle that opened up routes for Brooks, Freeman, etc ...


And I believe Franks was a Pro Bowler, two or three times.
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Pack93z
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15 years ago
* Note the stars.. Pro Bowl years...

Franks and Lee are solid blockers.. both added a presence to the middle of the field.. albeit both had their share of the drops.

I would argue that Jackson had more of an impact on the Packers offense than Chewy.. except inside the 20.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago
Thanks Pack. Bubba Franks put up better numbers. Overrated Chmura is. His claim to fame (besides the babysitter incident) is he was on the SB team. Right place at the right time.

Franks was exactly what Brett Favre loved more than anything - an elite red zone target. Franks got TDs and lots of them. How many times have we seen Bubba Franks chip a defender then slip into the end zone, turn around, and catch a TD? Franks was also a pretty good blocker.

Personality problems for Chmura aside, Franks better go in before Chmura does.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago

* Note the stars.. Pro Bowl years...

Franks and Lee are solid blockers.. both added a presence to the middle of the field.. albeit both had their share of the drops.

I would argue that Jackson had more of an impact on the Packers offense than Chewy.. except inside the 20.

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Lee solid blocker? Donald Lee? #86? Or are you thinking the toolbox, Ed West? Lee a solid blocker????? Solid?

Franks grew into a solid blocker and was slow down the field, but had sure hands in his earlier years.

Chmura, I felt was a good blocker and had good hands which helped the Packers offense. I'm not sure how he's over rated, I haven't heard anyone say he was great. I think he was above average talent, but was the right piece at the right time for the Packers offense.
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tonyagnese
15 years ago
Itll be the oldest thing hes entered in a long time! OK Im done, I promise. honestly...I am surprised they went there. He was really good for a few years and was a 3 time pro bowler but I just dont think it was enough. Then you take into account how his career ended and this just doesnt make sense to me. Hes going to be like the crappy homemade Christmas present that you got from your crazy Aunt among all those other greats! He is a poor choice for the hall.
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azrunning
15 years ago
I'd have to agree with tonyagnese. Good tight end and what the Pack needed at the time but don't really see him qualifying for the Packers HOF.
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