Pack93z
14 years ago
On the TSA agent.. is required to be same sex.. so Zombie.. I would have pressed the issue with the TSA.. normal screening is not a extraordinary situation.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1049.shtm 

Except in extraordinary circumstances, a screener of your gender will conduct your additional screening. You may request that your search be conducted in private.


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Formo
14 years ago

I would argue you are free to fly if you wish to.. buy your own plane, learn how to fly it and obey the laws of the FAA. Then set your own rules to board the freaking plane..

But traveling commercially it is a privilege at best.. the only right you have it the ownership of the rights to the seat for the flight.

You are flying in their aircraft, at their time, for their set level of compensation.

Under a free society, I will concede that it is your right to be able to fairly purchase that seat equally, but buying that seat doesn't not constitute a right to do as you please.

Their flight, their license to operate.. their rules to promote safety.

That does not define a right.

Side note.. I find it humorous that it is a right to be able to fly, but some of the same people argued that equally obtainable health care is not a right.. talk about losing touch with reality.

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You guys are reading what was originally written wrong. He said TRAVEL is a right.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
I don't believe we are. I did at first and realized it after I made my reply. However, that doesn't change the point of my words.

He says Travel is a right. I'd agree in the context that we are free to relocate as we wish.

He did not specifically say flying was a right, that was something I mistook.

Hopefully now that I've specifically stated as such we can move past that.
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14 years ago

BY DAVID OVALLE

DOVALLE@MIAMIHERALD.COM

A Miami International Airport federal security screener has been arrested for allegedly using an expandable police baton to beat up a co-worker.
The source of their conflict, police say: daily ribbing about the size of the screener's genitalia.
Screener Rolando Negrin's private body parts were observed by his Transportation Security Administration colleagues conducting training on the airport's full-body imaging machines.
Months of joking culminated on Tuesday night, when Negrin attacked co-worker Hugo Osorno in an employee parking lot, according to an arrest report.
Negrin ``stated he could not take the jokes any more and lost his mind,'' said the report, made public Thursday.
The agitated screener forced Osorno to his knees and made him apologize before whacking him on the back and arms with the baton, according to the report.
Negrin, who posted $7,500 bond on Wednesday night, is charged with aggravated battery.
Federal officials began using full-body scanning machines at airports across the nation in 2008, touting them as a high-tech, effective way to screen passengers for weapons or dangerous materials.
Screeners in a separate room view images of the human body, private parts and all, with the person's face blurred. The machines have raised concerns from the American Civil Liberties Union, which says they represent an invasion of passengers' privacy.
Florida ACLU Director Howard Simon said he frowns on the ``electronic strip search'' and called on the government to use less invasive security technology.
``Ribbing and fighting among TSA workers -- it's a sad story. It's an unnecessary story,'' Simon said Thursday. ``The government is being seduced by new technology.''
TSA spokesman Jonathan Allen, in a statement issued Thursday, said that Negrin is being suspended and an internal inquiry is being launched.
``TSA has a zero-tolerance policy for workplace violence,'' he said. ``We are investigating to determine whether training procedures were violated and will take appropriate action as necessary.''


Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/06/1617423/miami-airport-screener-beats-co.html#ixzz0u324b2cc 


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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
In some email I have a picture of a TSA employee playing Solitaire while there's a nice line waiting.


I don't see how that fits in though as every job has douche bag employees. You can't even trust your priest nowadays so I'm not sure why a government employee's work ethic is a surprise or note worthy.
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Pack93z
14 years ago
Well lets look at our society..

We have a police officer in ILL that apparently killed a couple of his wives..

So should all police activity be ceased.

We shouldn't have police.. we are a free society and shouldn't need an authority figure such as that to dictate the rules upon us right?

We have priests all over the place, latest in La Crosse getting busted for molestation or child porn..

So all religion should become suspect because we have a few deviants amongst the cloth.

Why should we as a society look up to any man in the cloth as they are grouped together with this scum, right?

Of course not.. one bad apple or incident does not make a mass.

Like it or not.. even a free society as ourselves has rules for the safety of all.. screening pre-flight is one of them. Not protected as a right. Travel is your right.. and no one is prohibiting your right to travel.. they are placing measures to protect the system.. right or wrong measures is up for debate..

But since NonStop hide behind a "I don't have to because I am right" cop out... I shall conclude that their isn't a better method to be had. :)

I was going to use politicians as an example.. but I am not sure that I could make a case for the rightful ones. 😉
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zombieslayer
14 years ago

In some email I have a picture of a TSA employee playing Solitaire while there's a nice line waiting.


I don't see how that fits in though as every job has douche bag employees. You can't even trust your priest nowadays so I'm not sure why a government employee's work ethic is a surprise or note worthy.

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Our hard-earned tax dollars don't go to Priests. They do however go to TSA employees. So the former doesn't piss me off as much.

The link Wade posted, I wonder if TSA employees jerk off to those images. Won't be surprised if they do. How does that make you feel? Our tax dollars at work.

Pack - Who does he complain to? If he complained, he's an ex-con. They'll be sure to bring that up.

Like I said, screw the TSA. Waste of tax money.

NSD & Wade are right. The burden of proof when it comes to limiting our Freedom and Privacy goes to King, not his subjects. I don't see why that's so hard to understand.

The TSA hasn't made us safer. They've only made flights longer and taken more of our Freedoms and Privacy.
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14 years ago
I've gone back and highlighted one phrase that I found particularly troubling, though perhaps you missed it.

"Months of joking" suggests this is not just one person with a problem. This suggests to me a cohort of people who are paying excessive attention to something other than what we think they are paying attention to.

If there is a right that defines "human right" it ought to be control over one's body. Suppose I decide that I want to go through the airport and fly nude. Can I show off my body, smaller-than-peter-north-dick, jiggling beer gut and all, without social or legal consequence? No. But some fucking anonymous TSA can look at it without my permission in the name of national security?

I'm not advocating going nude thru airports. But the decision as to who one exposes oneself to should not depend on whether the average TSA person who might see me is a good person or a pervert. It should depend on whether I'm willing to expose myself to that person; only if I as an individual am perceived as a threat, should it be the state's decision.

The use of these scanners is presuming that everyone who flies is a threat. If that's not an unreasonable criterion for search and seizure, what the fuck is?
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Dulak
14 years ago

Flight 93 "evidence"... make your own call..

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/shootdown.html?q=shootdown.html 

"pack93z" wrote:



interesting - funny they made 2 great movies based on this plane. eg the documentary was much better then the movie

I wonder if its like the tillman thing (which I dont know much about but they are coming out with a movie about it).
Zero2Cool
14 years ago

In some email I have a picture of a TSA employee playing Solitaire while there's a nice line waiting.


I don't see how that fits in though as every job has douche bag employees. You can't even trust your priest nowadays so I'm not sure why a government employee's work ethic is a surprise or note worthy.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Our hard-earned tax dollars don't go to Priests. They do however go to TSA employees. So the former doesn't piss me off as much.

The link Wade posted, I wonder if TSA employees jerk off to those images. Won't be surprised if they do. How does that make you feel? Our tax dollars at work.

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I'm not going to piss and whine about everything false the government does with our hard earn money. It's a waste of time. It's no secret we as a nation are getting screwed. We know it, yet what are we doing about it? What CAN we do about it? Get angry and upset over it? Sorry, not worth my time, I have more important things to focus my energy on.

Nice way to dodge the point I'm hitting on with your priests don't get tax dollars. 🙂 It doesn't matter the job, the statue of the position, fact is, you're going to have douche bags being employed. It's the sad truth about human nature, until we enforce a more strict law that punishes them. Although then we'll have people bitch about the laws against that too.
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