Zero2Cool
14 years ago
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/96853914.html 

Green Bay Players don't come much more loyal or understanding than Green Bay Packers linebacker Desmond Bishop.

He is set to enter his fourth season, and from all appearances Bishop continues to be stuck in the same place: core special teams player, reserve inside linebacker with little hope - outside of an injury - for any real playing time.

For a lot of players, frustration would be too much to hide. Ask his coaches and teammates, though, and Bishop is the same player he's always been. Still works hard. Still just does his job. Doesn't make waves.

But that doesn't mean Bishop, who has demonstrated big-play ability when given the chance, ignores his circumstances.

"It's a real sticky situation," Bishop said Monday. "I want to be out there badly. But at the same time, some people out there don't even have jobs, so I'm kind of grateful to be in the position I'm in to even have a job and being able to compete for whatever.

"The team is trying to get to the Super Bowl. That's the main goal. But at the same time, in the back of my mind, I'm itching to get in there and make my statement."

It does not look as if it's going to happen this season. Outside of a few special packages depending on the opponent, Bishop likely won't play unless Nick Barnett, A.J. Hawk or Brandon Chillar is injured. Even with Barnett sidelined after knee surgery, Bishop has been relegated to mostly back-up duty behind Hawk and Chillar in off-season practices.

The other reality that Bishop appears to have resigned himself to is that he won't be traded. Several teams have inquired about Bishop the past two years, but the Packers have told them each time that Bishop is not available.

Again, Bishop understands.

"You realize that it's truly a business. That's what it is," Bishop said. "No player is bigger than the business of the game, so you have to kind of look at it as if you're a CEO of a company. If you had a good worker for cheap, why give him away?"

The Packers may have to entertain the thought of dealing Bishop this year. Once this season is over, Bishop will have four accrued seasons of service time. If the new collective bargaining agreement reverts back to the free-agency rules in the old one, as most expect, then Bishop will be an unrestricted free agent as soon as the ink dries. And the Packers, who also have to deal with restructuring Hawk's contract at season's end, run the risk of getting nothing in return for Bishop.

"I would anticipate Bishop having to make a career decision," said assistant head coach/inside linebackers Winston Moss. "If he feels as though he's ready to play more and move into another system, then he needs to not sign a contract (with the Packers) and he needs to move on and sign someplace else."

There is one more card Bishop could use - play me or trade me - like others around the league have.

"That's not really my style," Bishop said. "Like I said, I'm just grateful to have a job in the first place. But I don't know. It's an ongoing conversation with me, my family and my agent. It's never out of the question."

Jenkins, Chillar get an outside look: [ul]With most of the installation finished, the Packers took a look at a few new defensive twists, like using Chillar and 6-2, 305-pound Cullen Jenkins at outside linebacker.

"They've been moving me around a lot and having me try some different things just in case," Jenkins said. "I feel pretty fast this year. It's pretty cool to actually be up."

The tinkering was actually a byproduct of some improved conditioning with Jenkins. The Packers wanted him to slim down a bit to finish games and seasons better.

"Cullen has very rare ability," said defensive line coach Mike Trgovac. "He's got games where I've never seen a defensive tackle rush like him. His biggest problem last year is he didn't finish the sacks. I think the big emphasis that I had with him last year was his conditioning to play. He plays a reckless style of football, and to do that, you have to be in great shape because you're opened up to more injuries."

Chillar said last month that the team hadn't even discussed getting more reps at outside linebacker, where the Packers are thin. Even though he's 238 pounds (255 is ideal), coordinator Dom Capers is taking a look.

"Now's the time you introduce a couple different packages in case we get a guy hurt, we have to have something to go to," Capers said. "Chillar is smart enough to give us alternatives. We move him around a lot.

"I'm not sure he couldn't (play outside full time). They have to rush a lot against those tackles. That's one of the hardest things to do."[/ul]

Special teams update: [ul]Mason Crosby missed his first kick at the right hash mark from 45 yards out. In the previous two seasons, nine of Crosby's 13 missed field goals have come on that side of the field (69.2%).

"I thought on the field (the kick) was good," said special teams coordinator Shawn Slocum. "My reaction is he's dealing with two holders right now. Mason has been hitting the ball very well. His kickoffs are outstanding, and the ball is jumping off his foot. I'm pleased with where he is."

Slocum did say that Sam Shields, an undrafted rookie, needs to improve on fielding punts.

"Sam needs to be consistent catching the ball before we can put him out there and have our whole organization rely on him to catch the punt," Slocum said. "He has excellent talent, and we have a full training camp to go and a bunch of reps for him to continue to get better."[/ul]


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beast
14 years ago
It was rumored that Bishop's agent was going to ask for a trade last off-season but Bishop said no to to the agent thinking he might get more playing time in the 3-4.

Sounds like Bishop has a good head on his shoulders, he in preseason he does makes a lot of plays but he gives up more than the others as well. Tough call for him... is he willing to be a career back-up and just wait for his shot to start which may never come or chase the starting spot by going to a team that needs his position but also might not have his back as much.

I think I would be willing to trade him if someone offered a good draft pick. But I don't know how much other teams would offer for him.


Also I like the idea of Chillar at OLB... Jenkins at OLB is very interesting he does move very well for his size


I wonder which punter is better at holding or if it's even
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
Good stuff 'beast'! That's the kind of replies I like!!
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nerdmann
14 years ago
Why doesn't Bishop get a chance at OLB? They try Jenkins but not Bishop?
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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago

Why doesn't Bishop get a chance at OLB? They try Jenkins but not Bishop?

"nerdmann" wrote:


He is an ILB. He sometimes make great plays, sometimes he uses poor technique or is out of position. He has to get more consistent. The only thing holding him back is his playing.

Jenkins is getting a chance to line up at LB to expand the unpredictability of the scheme. It is not to get more OLBs.
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beast
14 years ago

Why doesn't Bishop get a chance at OLB? They try Jenkins but not Bishop?

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:


He is an ILB. He sometimes make great plays, sometimes he uses poor technique or is out of position. He has to get more consistent. The only thing holding him back is his playing.

Jenkins is getting a chance to line up at LB to expand the unpredictability of the scheme. It is not to get more OLBs.

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Honestly when I hear Jenkins at OLB I think of it as a 4-3 defense... yes the 4-3 DE is lining up in space and might drop in coverage once or twice but so did Kampman in the 4-3...

I remember when Kampman (at 4-3 DE) played bumped and run coverage on TE Jason Witten and did alright... not tight coverage but he stuck with him.

And with Pickett and Raji in there, you got two DTs... so Jenkins at OLB will probably be running situations or against a good running team like Jets, Patriots, Cowboys or Vikings who also have power OTs... and Jenkins is a very good rusher where ever you put him.
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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago

Why doesn't Bishop get a chance at OLB? They try Jenkins but not Bishop?

"beast" wrote:


He is an ILB. He sometimes make great plays, sometimes he uses poor technique or is out of position. He has to get more consistent. The only thing holding him back is his playing.

Jenkins is getting a chance to line up at LB to expand the unpredictability of the scheme. It is not to get more OLBs.

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:




Honestly when I hear Jenkins at OLB I think of it as a 4-3 defense... yes the 4-3 DE is lining up in space and might drop in coverage once or twice but so did Kampman in the 4-3...

I remember when Kampman (at 4-3 DE) played bumped and run coverage on TE Jason Witten and did alright... not tight coverage but he stuck with him.

And with Pickett and Raji in there, you got two DTs... so Jenkins at OLB will probably be running situations or against a good running team like Jets, Patriots, Cowboys or Vikings who also have power OTs... and Jenkins is a very good rusher where ever you put him.

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The way Jenkins covers screens and the times I have seen him drop into coverage from his DE position, he looks like he has the skills.

Kampman had the lowest completions against percentage of the LBs. I thought he did OK. Not pretty but he did get the job done.
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Dulak
14 years ago
The past 2 years the conversation about bishop has come up and I have defended both of those years as did a 'few' others here.

IMO he is our 2 or 3rd best LB behind matthews and barnett - IMO bishop is better at rushing and run stoppage then barnett.

He also rocks at ST. But I loved seeing him last year in his games and the preseason.

You can see his frustration when he talks about a company having a good worker for cheap.

Im not going to bother to waste my time putting stats up and talking about his games in order to defend him.
Bishop rocks plane and simple - he is one of the best players on our team for the money we pay him. We gave chillar a really large contract while ya I think hes pretty good - Bishop on the other hand also deserves more playing time and a bigger check - he is only behind matthews in terms of QB pressure.

btw do you notice all the talk about the LOLB position and change ups ... seems a bit obvious the pack knows that they have a weak link at that position.
Still amazed we didnt address that during the draft ...

here is to bishop and to a great season
Greg C.
14 years ago
I'm glad Bishop has such a good attitude. But he is stuck behind two first round draft picks, so his future is very limited if he stays in Green Bay. I would think some other team that has an opening at MLB or ILB would be very happy to sign him to a bigger contract next season. For now, we are lucky to have such depth at that position, with both him and Chillar.
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BjRaji=DEFMVP
14 years ago
Its very unlikely that bishop will go anywhere.
Look at a Lbs we got Barnett who should be more heathly this season than the last,hawk is getting better according to MM,Chillar is a solid backup and hes good in coverage plus they signed him to a 4 year contract last year.Bishop is a good Special Teams player and thats gonna be he primary postion unless he has a good Training camp and preseason,then again he did have a good Preseason last year and chillar still was higher on the depth chart.
I see him as on special teams again
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