Did Trippster say his friend was tortured?
"Cheesey" wrote:
Once again you evade my
point, which is that this phone call could have been a precursor to a terrorism investigation, which could have subsequently lead to indefinite detention, torture, etc. So your question is irrelevant here.
The way you talk down to me sometimes is insulting.
"Cheesey" wrote:
I really don't mean to be insulting, but I lose patience when you evade every point that I make, set up strawmen, and then declare victory over my arguments, which you haven't even addressed. I will try to be more cordial and respectful in the future, but I would appreciate it that if you're going to answer my posts, you do me the courtesy of addressing my arguments, which I spend a lot of time and thought on.
There's alot better chance of me getting killed in a car accident then by my government torturing me.
"Cheesey" wrote:
True, but irrelevant. More to the point is that since 2001, approximately 3,000 Americans have died in acts of terrorism, while approximately 375,000 people have died in auto accidents. That doesn't even consider the 600,000 people who die every year of heart disease, for example. You justify investigating terrorism with torture, yet the chances of being a victim of terrorism are minuscule.
So....i guess by what you say, we should never use torture. Am i correct?
"Cheesey" wrote:
I see no need for torture. All it does is unnecessarily polarize world opinion against us, and for what gain? We have no idea -- none whatsoever -- that any information we obtain through torture is valuable. I know if I were being tortured, I'd tell my captors whatever bullshit would make them happy. That doesn't mean it would be truthful. I couldn't care less about the truth, as long as they stopped inflicting pain on me.
And i would like an actual ANSWER to that question.
"Cheesey" wrote:
Granted, but I would like actual reasoned responses to my arguments too.
Maybe it would prevent another attack on us.
"Cheesey" wrote:
Or more probably it just perpetuates the cycle of anger that makes another attack more likely.