Saints win Super Bowl XLIV!· Page 7

Formo
Veteran Member

15 years ago

Memo to New Orleans residents:

1. That big blue thing is called an ocean.

2. If you would have to look up to see it, you might want to make flood insurance a priority, and kindly don't blame the government for any decisions they made or didn't make about some wall if you were not smart enough to have aforementioned coverage. If you can't afford to live there, then don't.

3. If you would have to look up to see previously mentioned big blue thing, you might want to get the fuck out of the way of it when a hurricane is coming.

I give you this advice because thanks to your fucking stupidity, along with the stupidity of my fellow Americans, I get to help pay for it, so the least I can do is pass this along, even though you are apparently too fucking stupid to comprehend what is being hinted at...ah-- well--let me break it down to simpler terms:

STAY AWAY FROM THE BIG BLUE THING!

How stupid are these people?

I factored in hurricanes when I purchased my home. I live in central Pennsylvania. I needed to. That is my big hint, you GD morons! (folk that did not in New Orleans---- and to to the rest of you- I'm still workin' on that whole PC thing. :pottytrain2: )

Rep. John Murtha D- PA just died. Tag him and bag him. Hopefully we get a Republican to replace him. Semper fi, you prick. I'll see you in hell.

"Rockmolder" wrote:

Normally i would agree with this, however the people of new orleans were assured their homes would be safe and the levy's were fine. Its not like the city was built on the beach.

"Formo" wrote:

Uhh.. It's still a hurricane. And being residents of the city, they also should have been aware that their city resides BELOW sea level. Which means IF those levies break, the city will fill up like a bowl.

"gbguy20" wrote:

But these people obviously had some trust that the levies wouldn't break.

That's like Z2C saying that you're not going to be kicked. Then kicks you from the site and then we're going to blame it all on your behaviour. It makes little sense.

"dfosterf" wrote:

Hey, if that happens, know this: I won't blame Bush, Obama, Kerry, Hitlery, Palin, or any other political being. I'll get over it, find me another Packer forum to stir shit up.

Thanks to TheViking88 for the sig!!

Formo
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#62

lol

That's the only 'good' argument FOR Naw'Leans I've seen. lol

"zombieslayer" wrote:

The thing is, I'm being serious.

I live in San Francisco. It's a gay city. It really is. Every year, gays have their parades and there's plenty of nudity. You know what? More power to them. Seriously.

The problem is, there is NO straight city in the United States of America, other than New Orleans. Yes, I really mean that. There is none.

There is no city where straight people go around and act even half as crazy as the gays do in San Francisco. No, Las Vegas doesn't cut it. Most of the people I see in Vegas I DO NOT want to see nekkid.

New Orleans is it. It's the only one in the whole country.

If I were President of the USA, dead serious, first thing I'd do would be to make Executive Orders and pretty much strike down every single law I saw as Unconstitutional in the book since the Supreme Court refuses to do their job.

The very next thing I do would be to pull out of every foreign entanglement we're in.

The very next thing - save New Orleans. Us straight folk need a city.

"Formo" wrote:

Cause we need an entire metropolis that's built below sea level to put all the zombies.. then just bomb the levies. Zombie hoard finished! 😃

Thanks to TheViking88 for the sig!!

The_Green_Ninja
Senior Member Topic Starter

15 years ago

#63

"Formo" wrote:

Normally i would agree with this, however the people of new orleans were assured their homes would be safe and the levy's were fine. Its not like the city was built on the beach.

"Rockmolder" wrote:

"Formo" wrote:

"gbguy20" wrote:

Hey, if that happens, know this: I won't blame Bush, Obama, Kerry, Hitlery, Palin, or any other political being. I'll get over it, find me another Packer forum to stir shit up.

"dfosterf" wrote:

This is where that example doesn't work with the levies. You can't die while getting kicked out... I don't think at least. And you can immediately move to another forum.

zombieslayer
Registered

15 years ago

#64

Cause we need an entire metropolis that's built below sea level to put all the zombies.. then just bomb the levies. Zombie hoard finished! =D

"Formo" wrote:

Hey, if those weirdos with wooden shoes and windmills can figure out how to make it work, why can't we?

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Rockmolder
Honored Member

15 years ago

#65

"The_Green_Ninja" wrote:

Normally i would agree with this, however the people of new orleans were assured their homes would be safe and the levy's were fine. Its not like the city was built on the beach.

"Formo" wrote:

"Rockmolder" wrote:

"Formo" wrote:

Hey, if that happens, know this: I won't blame Bush, Obama, Kerry, Hitlery, Palin, or any other political being. I'll get over it, find me another Packer forum to stir shit up.

"gbguy20" wrote:

This is where that example doesn't work with the levies. You can't die while getting kicked out... I don't think at least. And you can immediately move to another forum.

"dfosterf" wrote:

That's it exactly. I feel quite safe living in the Netherlands. For as far as I know, we have the best levee systems in the world. So what does that make me? Someone who trusts modern engineering too much? Or just an idiot? We've been here for centuries with only one noteworthy flood in 1953.

Having people living in places where they can be totally self reliant and safe from any kind of danger is nothing more than an utopia. You couldn't live in Arizona because of a lack of water and lush areas. If there's a huge drought, those people would be screwed. You couldn't live at the west coast of the US because of the two plates overlapping there. People living anywhere close to the San Andreas fault must be utterly retarded. So is everyone in Japan. Or Haiti for that matter. Maybe everyone who lives in the barrens of Africa, as well.

Pack93z
Select Member

15 years ago

#66

"Rockmolder" wrote:

Well put my friend.. these generalizations of the people living behind these levies is absurd.

I dare or challenge any of you to make a single trip down there yet today, years removed from the storm, lend a hand for a single week. Meet and talk to these "idiots" or "trash"; form opinions not made from afar.. then speak with the same unsympathetic tone.

It has been over three years since I made my visit. but through the church many are still putting in time.. and the need is still there.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Pack93z
Select Member

15 years ago

#67

What are you talking about? I made the comment that people were shooting at cops and that I was not impressed merely to point out that the city of New Orleans is not the uniformly noble victim it has been portrayed to be, not to imply all residents of New Orleans are suspect or that New Orleans should not be rebuilt.

I stand by my opinion that rebuilding trailer parks below sea level is asinine, however.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Not picking a fight.. just making an observation..

You are forming an opinion from isolated camera shots of trailer houses.. or a couple of punks shooting at police and looting businesses and homes.. how is that any different than Cheesey's opinion formation.

Like I stated in another thread.. to this day.. take a trip down there and form that opinion in person.. it is likely to change your sweeping criticism of the people of the area.

Are they noble? Apparently not, because a couple of thugs fired shots.. damn.

Again.. I agree that some areas of the city should not be rebuilt because of location.. but to make the citizens of the region all sound like a bunch of over sympathized bunch isn't correct either.

Place yourself in a persons shoes that lives an honest hard working life in the wards.. they can't afford housing in other areas but they can have the dream of ownership in certain location.. they have been occupied for years upon years.. you have city and state engineers giving you assurance that the levy system is sound and will keep you as safe as can be expected....

Along comes a once in a lifetime type storm and devastated the region and wiped out miles and miles of stick build houses... you have lost everything in the world materialistic to you.. and some guy in Wisconsin has no compassion for that because a couple of punks shot at the police.. or other thugs took advantage and looted peoples homes and businesses..

My point.. in one thread you are making sweeping generalizations.. and in another you are criticizing the same act.. I found it ironic.. nothing more.

Yes.. it has been 4 years or better since the hurricane.. but that doesn't mean the region has fully recovered.. and if some can't accept that winning the superbowl is a type of relief for them after a couple hard years.. well then.. so be it.

http://www.katrinadestruction.com/images/v/hurricane/?g2_page=3

Edited.. putting it in the NO thread instead.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

15 years ago

#68

But Shawn, you are unjustly mischaracterizing my position -- that's why I am annoyed. A) Houses should not be rebuilt has absolutely NOTHING to do with 😎 People in New Orleans were shooting guns at cops. They are two unrelated observations and I made no attempt whatsoever to connect them.

Houses should not be rebuilt has everything to do with the fact that these houses were below sea level and thus vulnerable; mobile homes and thus not resilient against weather; and trailer parks, indicative of poverty. (And by the way, it's specifically the trailer parks I have a problem with rebuilding, since they cannot be made weather-safe.)

If people want to rebuild their lives in the same risky areas (this goes for people in hurricane-, tornado- or earthquake-prone areas too), more power to them. But I don't think that I should be forced to help them in their quest to do something I consider foolish and counterproductive. If I want to open my pocket and voluntarily donate to organizations that will help them in the rebuilding process, more power to me. But the power of government fiat should not be used for this purpose.

Pack93z
Select Member

15 years ago

#69

Lets take a look at our posts in this thread on individual posts and collectively. Again.. not trying to be degrading or unjust.. just honestly trying to correct a incorrect view of the majority of the people of New Orleans or even the 9th Ward.

There are horror stories mixed in as well.. and lack of integrity for some of the people of New Orleans that were sheltered in Houston or other parts of the country... not trying to make them out to be angels either.

Now onto the rebuttal.

There are complete neighborhoods that haven't recovered yet.. and most the city is just getting back on their feet. While there is no direct connection and it is a media fluff story, one cannot discount the positive effect this must have on the fan base of the city and the people that have endured so much loss.

You discount the fact of their struggles yet today by acting like it is in the distant past.

I don't see the connection between Katrina and this Super Bowl victory. It's been over half a decade since Katrina. I hope that angle dies after this year.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Your primarily trailer parks is the part that isn't true nor fair to the people that have endured loss... you make them sound like they are low life lacking intelligence.. Again.. I dare you to take a visit to the area and surmise that it was only tailor parks that were decimated... hardly true.

A comparison.. if a flood hit La Crosse, which parts of it is a flood plain but hasn't flooded in its history, we should not have compassion upon them for their loss?

I struggle to sympathize with a lot of the people of New Orleans, who are pig-headedly determined to rebuild the ravaged areas of the city that are below sea level. The Acadians who first settled the city were intelligent people who built their homes on the highlands (if you can call them that) of the delta. Not coincidentally, these areas of town were virtually unaffected by the hurricane. It was the low-lying areas of town -- populated primarily with trailer parks -- that were devastated. I remember watching with bemusement as the helicopters panned over square mile after square mile of ramshackle mobile homes, talking about how people were trying to move back into these vulnerable areas.

It's probable that based sheerly on its topography and climate, New Orleans is too big for its own good. Maybe the city needs to shrink back to a size that doesn't render it so fragile in the face of severe weather disturbances.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Here you place the collective group of "the people of New Orleans" that are the only ones ever to fire upon a police officer and the globally all are guilty by living in the area.

People in New Orleans were shooting at cops after the hurricane. Color me unimpressed.

And I hate cops.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Now stand the three quotes together in a single thread and it sounds eerily derogatory to the people of New Orleans as a whole.. I have only spent one week there in my life other than passing through.. and I can say my experiences don't match up to your summations of looking at the folks in a distance using a skewed media and isolated events or areas.

Maybe I am misunderstanding your comments individually or as a whole.. but I fail to understand the lack of understanding or compassion for the losses they have endured. Further more why they can't celebrate a Superbowl title as a relief from the rebuilding process that is no where near complete.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

15 years ago

#70

I don't understand why you can't see how finely nuanced my statements are.

I don't see the connection between Katrina and this Super Bowl victory. It's been over half a decade since Katrina. I hope that angle dies after this year.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

How is this an expression of a lack of compassion? Moreover, wherein do I say that New Orleans should not celebrate its victory? I'm saying that had the Super Bowl occurred a year, maybe two, after the hurricane, I could have seen it as a viable story angle, but after this many years, I don't find it compelling anymore, any more than I would have thought it made sense if the residents of Barneveld, Wisconsin, which was destroyed by a tornado in 1984, had considered the 1997 Green Bay Packers Super Bowl victory a solace for their loss. If residents of New Orleans want to find comfort in this victory, so be it. I just hope that after this year, a new angle is found.

I struggle to sympathize with a lot of the people of New Orleans, who are pig-headedly determined to rebuild the ravaged areas of the city that are below sea level.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Again, this is a nuanced statement. Nowhere do I lump all residents of New Orleans together. Nowhere do I say I fail to sympathize with all, or even most, residents of New Orleans. I specifically mention the ones who are determined to rebuild the areas that are most vulnerable to devastation from another hurricane. I then go on to give credit to people who have chosen to live in areas that are less vulnerable to the predations of severe weather disturbances.

I don't see how it's objectionable to hope that if the low-lying areas must be rebuilt, they are populated with safe, durable dwellings instead of mobile homes that cannot provide any measure of safety in the event of another hurricane.

Moreover, I go onto suggest that

It's probable that based sheerly on its topography and climate, New Orleans is too big for its own good. Maybe the city needs to shrink back to a size that doesn't render it so fragile in the face of severe weather disturbances.

"Nonstopdrivel wrote:

To me this is a compassionate thing to do. Let's preserve human life by rebuilding a sustainable New Orleans that is less vulnerable to hurricanes.

Of course, I respect human choice. If they wish to return to their homes and rebuild their lives in the same fashion as they lived before, that is their choice. On the other hand, they will not be able to tug on my heartstrings if they endure the return of a similar disaster, any more than I have sympathy for the people who refuse to evacuate their homes in the middle of a hurricane.

In other words, do I believe the government should tell people of New Orleans not to rebuild? Of course not. But neither do I believe they have a right to expect me to pay for their decision to rebuild.

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