millertime
15 years ago
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/11/after-further-review-packers-got-screwed/ 


After further review, Packers got screwed
Posted by Mike Florio on January 11, 2010 7:50 AM ET
We've received more than a few e-mails in the aftermath of Sunday night's for-the-ages battle between the Packers and the Cardinals regarding the non-call on the play that delivered victory for the home team via a sack, fumble/interception, and 17-yard sprint for a score.

At first, the words "tuck rule" dominated the discussion.

Then, the focal point became the blow to the head and the yanking of the facemask that Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers endured as Arizona defensive back Michael Adams collided into Rodgers.

Here's the video.

As one league source said via e-mail, "It should have been a personal foul grabbing the face mask and 15-yard penalty and a first down for Green Bay."

And we agree, completely. The incidental facemask call disappeared a couple of years ago, replaced by a rule that even a minor grab of the bars attached to the helmet triggers the major infraction.

Moreover, we've routinely seen quarterbacks take minor blows to the head and draw flags for roughing the passer.

So what happened? Though the tuck rule didn't matter because the ball bounced off Rodgers' foot before it was caught by Cardinals linebacker Karlos Dansby, the official undoubtedly was watching Rodgers' arm and the ball for any evidence of the convoluted mechanical process that makes a fumble not a fumble when the quarterback was in the process of moving his arm forward but hadn't released the ball before having the ball knocked out.

The bigger problem is that the FOX announcers and the folks talking into their ears didn't bother to delve into the question of whether not one but two penalties had occurred. Joe Buck said "Rodgers gets a hand to the face" during the live call, but Buck and his producer(s) blew an excellent opportunity to explain first that the tuck rule didn't matter in this case and second that what did matter was the failure of the men in black and white to see that Adams had not only hit Rodgers in the head but also had grabbed and tugged his facemask.

So, yes, Packers fans, you have every right to be upset.

Then again, watch the video. Adams didn't get a free release from Rodgers' blind side. He had to cut in front of an underneath receiver before circling into the backfield, and Rodgers could have (and should have) seen Adams coming.

By our count, Rodgers had the ball in his hands for three full seconds before getting hit.

When Rodgers was getting thrown around like a rag doll in the first half of the season, he quietly was being criticized within the locker room for holding the ball too long. And that's the biggest thing that the Packers need to address this offseason in order to make Rodgers into a guy who can deliver consistently in the clutch.

Dulak
15 years ago
[youtube]lZCbmc0IIM4[/youtube]

here is the facemask that will echo for an eternity ...

that was our game
dhazer
15 years ago
As i have stated in the shout the Refs missed atleast 4 plays, That one even the announcers called, the td by Fitz were he ran over woodson, the play where they called holding where the defender lead with the helmet should have wiped out the holding penalty. You could of even called Fitz on his first td where once again he pushed Woodson to the ground.

But all in all i don't think we deserved to win because of the defense.
It's a tough loss and i would of loved to see the shootout between Rodgers and Brees but oh well its done and over with we can't do anything about it.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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Dulak
15 years ago

As i have stated in the shout the Refs missed atleast 4 plays, That one even the announcers called, the td by Fitz were he ran over woodson, the play where they called holding where the defender lead with the helmet should have wiped out the holding penalty. You could of even called Fitz on his first td where once again he pushed Woodson to the ground.

But all in all i don't think we deserved to win because of the defense.
It's a tough loss and i would of loved to see the shootout between Rodgers and Brees but oh well its done and over with we can't do anything about it.

"dhazer" wrote:



I agree with everything but the deserve part ... weather or not we 'deserved' to win. We played the game and if the refs hadnt done what they did we would of been playing NO this week.

I do agree our defense lacked ... but we sure made a HUGE comeback ... and IMO deserved to win that game.
dhazer
15 years ago
I'm just saying i'm not going to be like some other teams fans and blame the refs for the loss is all i am saying. It was a very exciting game at the end and i am pleased to have Rodgers as our QB for the next 5-7 years.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
UserPostedImage
15 years ago
i just posted that link on my gf and her sister's facebook pages (both Cards fans). hehe. fucking Cardinals.

I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

bozz_2006 wrote:


Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
These are EXACTLY the kind of non-calls that should inarguably be overturnable on review. Everyone in the stadium -- everyone in the viewing audience -- saw that foul as it happened. There's no excuse.
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shield4life
15 years ago

I'm just saying i'm not going to be like some other teams fans and blame the refs for the loss is all i am saying. It was a very exciting game at the end and i am pleased to have Rodgers as our QB for the next 5-7 years.

"dhazer" wrote:



Agreed let's not blame the refs.
Glad To Be A Packers Fan.
15 years ago
I won't blame the refs, but I am going to do my part and write a letter to the head of officiating for their complete inability to protect our quarterback on two penalties TO THE HEAD (facemask and earlier helmet to helmet), when they said they were going to make an effort this season. That's unacceptable and they deserve a just amount of heat about it.
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twebdonny
15 years ago

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/11/after-further-review-packers-got-screwed/


After further review, Packers got screwed
Posted by Mike Florio on January 11, 2010 7:50 AM ET
We've received more than a few e-mails in the aftermath of Sunday night's for-the-ages battle between the Packers and the Cardinals regarding the non-call on the play that delivered victory for the home team via a sack, fumble/interception, and 17-yard sprint for a score.

At first, the words "tuck rule" dominated the discussion.

Then, the focal point became the blow to the head and the yanking of the facemask that Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers endured as Arizona defensive back Michael Adams collided into Rodgers.

Here's the video.

As one league source said via e-mail, "It should have been a personal foul grabbing the face mask and 15-yard penalty and a first down for Green Bay."

And we agree, completely. The incidental facemask call disappeared a couple of years ago, replaced by a rule that even a minor grab of the bars attached to the helmet triggers the major infraction.

Moreover, we've routinely seen quarterbacks take minor blows to the head and draw flags for roughing the passer.

So what happened? Though the tuck rule didn't matter because the ball bounced off Rodgers' foot before it was caught by Cardinals linebacker Karlos Dansby, the official undoubtedly was watching Rodgers' arm and the ball for any evidence of the convoluted mechanical process that makes a fumble not a fumble when the quarterback was in the process of moving his arm forward but hadn't released the ball before having the ball knocked out.

The bigger problem is that the FOX announcers and the folks talking into their ears didn't bother to delve into the question of whether not one but two penalties had occurred. Joe Buck said "Rodgers gets a hand to the face" during the live call, but Buck and his producer(s) blew an excellent opportunity to explain first that the tuck rule didn't matter in this case and second that what did matter was the failure of the men in black and white to see that Adams had not only hit Rodgers in the head but also had grabbed and tugged his facemask.

So, yes, Packers fans, you have every right to be upset.

Then again, watch the video. Adams didn't get a free release from Rodgers' blind side. He had to cut in front of an underneath receiver before circling into the backfield, and Rodgers could have (and should have) seen Adams coming.

By our count, Rodgers had the ball in his hands for three full seconds before getting hit.

When Rodgers was getting thrown around like a rag doll in the first half of the season, he quietly was being criticized within the locker room for holding the ball too long. And that's the biggest thing that the Packers need to address this offseason in order to make Rodgers into a guy who can deliver consistently in the clutch.

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