Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago

Packers fail in playoff environment
 

December, 20, 2009

By Kevin Seifert

PITTSBURGH -- Lets dispense with the pleasantries. Green Bay is going to make the playoffs. Im sure of it.

(Even more sure than I was of a victory Sunday at Pittsburgh. Ha.)

The question for us as a blog community is not whether the Packers will earn a wild-card berth. Given their remaining schedule and the squalid state of the NFC, its a near-lock. No, the real issue for the Packers is whether theyre equipped to win a playoff game. In my book, at least, missing the playoffs is only marginally less satisfying than a first-round defeat.

The events of Week 15 suggest the Packers will be a playoff team, but one that is not yet capable of winning a postseason game on the road -- as they will have to do when and if they clinch. Their opportunity to suggest otherwise came late in the fourth quarter Sunday, and quite frankly, they fell short.

Ahead by six points with 2:06 remaining, the Packers allowed Pittsburgh to drive 86 yards -- converting three third-down plays and one on fourth down -- and win on the final play of the game.

Mike Wallaces 19-yard touchdown reception capped a career day for Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who threw for a team-record 503 yards against the NFLs second-ranked defense.

Put bluntly, none of what you read in the preceding paragraph should happen to a playoff team.

You have these types of games in the playoffs and you go home, cornerback Charles Woodson said. We had what we wanted out there, but we didnt make the plays that we needed.

I wasnt sure what I would encounter when I reached the Packers postgame locker room. Would there be stunned silence? Anger? Uncontrolled sobbing? (Ive never seen the latter in an pro locker room, but I had to establish the full spectrum.)

More than anything, I encountered realism. The Packers lost on an exceptional effort on the final plays of a wild game. But they are still 9-5 this season and, based on the NFC standings, one victory away from clinching a playoff berth. Seattles pending arrival at Lambeau Field next weekend provides what should be an easy foil, a dynamic the Packers appear fully aware of.

Right now our mindset is that we have to get ready for Seattle, receiver Donald Driver said. We take care of business at home and were 10-5 and that may get us in.

With the rest of the NFC field at least 1.5 games behind the Packers and Dallas in the wild-card race, that scenario appears highly likely. But I thought Sundays game provided a good allegory for the Packers postseason aptitude: Theyre on the brink, but not there yet.

To be clear, the Packers made an exceptional comeback to take the lead in the fourth quarter. I thought it would have been a seminal victory for quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who threw for 383 yards and led the Packers to three fourth-quarter touchdowns.

But a playoff-winning defense would have forced a turnover during the Steelers final drive. Instead, the Packers mishandled two opportunities -- one apiece by Tramon Williams and Charles Woodson -- and had a third overturned by penalty. A playoff-winning defense shouldnt allow a 32-yard pass on 4th-down and 7, but thats what happened when Roethlisberger found Santonio Holmes wide open with 1:14 remaining.

And frankly, a playoff-winning defense wouldnt have felt compelled to retreat into a dime defense -- which included two relative newcomers to the lineup whom the Steelers repeatedly targeted -- on the final drive. But thats where defensive coordinator Dom Capers landed on the final play. Roethlisberger found Wallace matched up with dime back Josh Bell, whom the Packers signed last month and were using only because Brandon Underwood was sidelined with a hip injury.

Capers has had the Packers on the attack for most of their recent five-game winning streak, but Sunday he chose to emphasize coverage over pass rush.

They went to four wide receivers, Capers sad. Down the stretch there, we felt we would have been better off matching up defensive backs on receivers.


Perhaps, but I would argue the Packers would have been better off flooding Roethlisberger's passing lanes rather than giving him time to slide in the pocket. Starting with the opening play of the game, Roethlisberger identified and targeted both Bell and nickel back Jarrett Bush. With Woodson playing mostly against the slot receiver, the Steelers had exceptional matchups with Holmes and Wallace on the outside.

Thats Roethlisberger, Bush said. We gave him some time to slide in the pocket and let guys get open. And we didnt get it done on the back end. You cant take it away from them. They made some plays. We all know thats not going to happen every week.

Oooooooh, Im not entirely sure of that final assertion, Jarrett. What we saw Sunday was the first Packers opponent to really capitalize on cornerback Al Harris season-ending knee injury. The domino effect of that injury, which moved Bush up to nickel back and Underwood/Bell up to dime, finally caught up to them.

Bush made an inexplicable adjustment on Roethlisbergers first pass of the game, allowing Wallace further separation on a 60-yard touchdown play. Bell didnt have terrible coverage on the final play, but my guess is a savvier player would have initiated more contact and perhaps given officials a tougher call to make.

But if Im Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin and Steve Breaston -- the keys to an Arizona passing attack that could be the Packers first-round playoff opponent -- Im licking my chops. If the Packers want to play a nickel or dime defense in the playoffs, a team like the Cardinals will be a particularly tough matchup.

We all expected to win this game, Woodson said. I think we all thought we pretty much had it in the bag. But thats the way it works. Weve got another opportunity next week to try to get on the right track. Thats what well try to do.

To make the playoffs, yes. To win a game or two when they get there? Im not so sure. Not yet.



Seifert seems to agree with me: Capers turns into a pussy when it really counts. I have zero confidence in either our head coach or our defensive coordinator when the playoffs come.

Oh, and Woodson: Maybe if the defense hadn't played like it was in the bag, you could have found a way to stop the Steelers in the final two minutes.
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dfosterf
15 years ago
Dom Capers deserves to be hit with a big bat for his decisions in this game.

A big friggin' bat.

Repeatedly.

Knock some f'ing sense into him.

He can take his psycho and his 3 man pass rush and stick it square up his ass.

Stupid.

Number two defense my ass.

Paper bullshit.
IronMan
15 years ago


He can take his psycho and his 3 man pass rush and stick it square up his ass.

"dfosterf" wrote:



+1
musccy
15 years ago
I understand the criticism, but the sky isn't falling.

Vikes and Saints, just got WORKED this weekend, so should we assume they're going to tank in the playoffs? Colts have looked iffy much of the last 6 weeks, are they toast too?

The packers lost in a back and forth shootout that came down to whoever had the ball last. It was an ugly performance by the D, and Capers could have been more aggressive, but if Cullen wraps up Ben just a little more with 13 sec to go, or chillar doesn't chip so we get an INT, we win.

I honestly take this as a positive. It doesn't dramatically affect our playoff positioning and exposes our weaknesses 2 weeks before the playoffs start so hopefully we can figure out how to get CM3 and woodson to the QB more, get help to Bell/Bush, etc.
GoPack1984
15 years ago
Why did he keep bringing the psycho package after Ben kept converting 1st downs on it? ::shakes head::
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Greg C.
15 years ago
They lost a game to a tough opponent on the road by one point after winning five in a row.

I think Seifert is reading too much into this. Sometimes you get into a shootout. It hadn't happened to the Packers in awhile. They were due for one. I think they played a lot better in the playoff-type atmosphere in Pittsburgh than they did in either game against the Vikings.

I agree with Seifert that the Packers are not there yet, but they are getting closer. They learned a lot from this game, I'm sure.
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El3ment12
15 years ago
We learned a lot from this game, and it doesn't really hurt us as with getting into the playoffs. I think this is a blessing in disguise. Now capers probably won't do that psycho 3 man rush, because he knows it doesn't work now. Better to learn this now than in the playoffs!
buckeyepackfan
15 years ago


I honestly take this as a positive. It doesn't dramatically affect our playoff positioning and exposes our weaknesses 2 weeks before the playoffs start so hopefully we can figure out how to get CM3 and woodson to the QB more, get help to Bell/Bush, etc.

"musccy" wrote:



ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!! +1.....I would give you +100 if I could.

There is nothing more to be said. I remember RP posting after the Tampa game, that it just might be the best thing that could happen.(not exact but close).
The team took a good look at themselves, came together and won 5 in a row.
Yesterday's game could be another that it is good it happened.

On the road, playing a team up against the wall,not even mentioning the fact the are the reighning SB champs.

The Packers went toe to toe with them, playoff atmosphere, let's see if THE COACHES, learned anything.

DON'T GO INTO A PREVENT WHEN THE GAME IS ON THE LINE!!!!!

I was actually fine with the 3 man rush, up until the last play of the game, Steelers were down to their last shot....IMHO that is when a defense should "sell out" and make the qb force a play. Then if they score...well so be it...they beat the D that was most effective throughout the game.
To let Big Ben slide around and pick his spot!!...obviously was the wrong decision.

Live,Learn, and move on.....Seattle is up, time to bring a playoff spot home to Green Bay!!!!!
I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
IronMan
15 years ago
If you think yesterday's game was a positive, I cringe to think of what you consider a negative.
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
If the coaching staff didn't already know not to retreat into a prevent defense with the game on the line, this this game certainly won't teach them. There are literally decades of film out there to show what a bad idea it is. I don't understand why coaches stubbornly lapse into this habit time after time.

I call it cowardice, but I'm not a nice guy.
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