dhazer
15 years ago

people have to remember these refs probably have 5-8 different angels to see the play and can go frame by frame, unlike us. I still have to watch the replay and try and stop it and see

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Are you sure about this? I read somewhere, need to find it again, that they have the same views we see on TV, but can choose which one to review when they want. Like, show me angle 1 again, slower, etc ...

"dhazer" wrote:



I believe your right about the tv cameras but they can go frame by frame i remember hearing and use 2 replays at the same time to make a decision.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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Pack93z
15 years ago
So there frame by frame is better than our frame by frame after the fact? :lol:

Jedi mind tricks work not.. 😉
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dhazer
15 years ago

So there frame by frame is better than our frame by frame after the fact? :lol:

Jedi mind tricks work not.. ;)

"pack93z" wrote:


Well i don't have a player that will go frame by frame with zoom 😛

Come to the Dark side my son 😛
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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Pack93z
15 years ago
It this case.. Fox played the best angle.. showing Jennings established control with 3 steps.. then went out of bounce and lost the handle upon impact with the ground..

Why does on need zoom and frame by frame in this case?

We all got a great look at it.. it is just down to interpertation.. in which the ref figured control wasn't established.. which is the error I believe there is.. he ruled no control.. which brought the control aspect through out the catch... which is the mistake in my book.

Piss on the Dark side I will..
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DakotaT
15 years ago
Eight pages on this, wow. I like it when we get screwed on a call and still win. Then you get to use it later in life. Think of it as a savings account of Packers getting screwed calls. I still don't think we've gone into the black from the mid 90's Cowboys games though.
UserPostedImage
15 years ago
The last two seasons have been pretty absurd for the Packers. In 2008, it felt like every week they were reviewing a play on NFL Network and Pereira (sp?) was like, "Yeah, that's our bad."
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Pack93z
15 years ago

Eight pages on this, wow. I like it when we get screwed on a call and still win. Then you get to use it later in life. Think of it as a savings account of Packers getting screwed calls. I still don't think we've gone into the black from the mid 90's Cowboys games though.

"DakotaT" wrote:



In the 90's.. I thought the NFL was rigged some of the calls were so skewed in the Boys direction.. sometimes you wonder.. Spygate, calls here or there in game.. but for the better part of two years I questioned the NFL's integrity.
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dhazer
15 years ago
The games are still rigged i believe. Why o the refs have earbuds in their ear but when they goto look at replays they have to put on a headset?

The earbuds are for the big wigs in Vegas telling them who is suppose to win and by how much lol
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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mi_keys
15 years ago


The issue with going to ground is if you catch it and you are being tackled as you catch it as was the case with that Oakland receiver.

"pack93z" wrote:




If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play, or in the end zone.

"wils0646" wrote:



Rule 8. Section 1, Article 3, Item 1 

"pack93z" wrote:



This is correct if the players hasn't established "control"... control is dictated with two steps.

So to me, it all comes down to whether Jennings has control of the ball and makes two steps.. which to me he does.

The rule you have highlighted is for a player that hasn't established control prior to hitting the turf... IE Louis Murphy.

They didn't change the control ruling.. just the control factor of a player going to the ground.

Hence the confusion that the refs are having with the ruling.. this isn't the first call being challenged with the variable added to the rule this past off season.

"IronMan" wrote:



From Bedard:

According to a league spokesman, referee Mike Carey correctly applied Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 1 of the NFL Rule Book (page 51) correctly when it came to Greg Jennings' non-touchdown against the Chicago Bears:

"If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact with an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete."

The timing of when contact was made by Bears CB Charles Tillman was the determining factor.

"The key is that the receiver was contacted by the defender before he got both feet down so he is therefore considered to be going to the ground and has to hold on to the ball throughout the whole process," the spokesman said.

"mi_keys" wrote:



It still makes the ruling confusing. What happens if the player is contacted before for 3-4-5 steps with the ball. I see no reason why they'd call it incomplete there.



If that is the interpretation.. then it is the silliest damn thing I ever read.. once the player has established control.. it is a catch.. contact or not.

Sometimes the competition committee is too ambiguous in the ruling.. or they should just leave the rules that have worked for 50 years in tact..

My understanding when reading the rule is this ground contact factor is for a player that is still establishing control.. IMO.. Jennings established it with three steps with a secured ball..

The source, IMO.. is covering for a mistake.. or increasing the drag net on this.. a piss poor job of isolating when the ground comes into play.

On your comment.. I agree.. if they are using this ground ruling on clear catches.. what stops a player or team from challenging a fumble within 3 to 5 steps after the catch is made.. on can refer back to this ruling.

Hence why the control factor is, as I understand it, separate from this rule if the player has established control already.. verses a player in the act of gaining control.



Ironman, I like how you point out the contact bit. My argument really had nothing to do with whether the Oakland receiver was contacted or not but the fact that he was falling as he caught it (whether that had been due to diving for a ball or being tackled is irrelevant.

Now, I am not surprised an NFL spokesman came out and said they got the call right. Unless the call is so egregiously erroneous that there is just no bloody way to spin the rules to make it the correct interpretation, the NFL says their refs got it right. I have major issues with this interpretation of "going to ground."

1.) It presupposes any contact between a defender and a receiver results in the receiver going to the ground. That is the only way to make their claim that the determining factor is when Tillman touched Jennings correct. That is simply not true, otherwise none of us would have ever heard of a broken tackle.

2.) Even if a receiver eventually goes to ground, this ruling assumes that a receiver once contacted can't maintain control and continue running before going to ground. Again this is not true.

Under this interpretation, you could have a first down on your own one yard line and throw the ball to a receiver in the flat. He could have a defender jump on his back the instant he catches the ball. The receiver could stumble and fight 100 yards down field, fall into the end zone, and lose the ball when he hits the ground. Under the interpretation of the rule, as they state it in the Jennings case, that receiver is going to the ground for the entire length of the football field and that pass would be incomplete.
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Tezzy
15 years ago
So they considered Jennings going to the ground because of the contact from Tillman prior to the second foot coming down. So in theory, if a defender contacts the receiver before the second foot is down, the receiver could keep him on his back for 20 yards, then lose the ball, and it would be an incomplete pass. I doubt a ref would ever call it that way. Obviously this rule is imperfect.
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