LeRoy Butler analyzes the Vikings-Packers game· Page 4

Formo
Veteran Member

15 years ago

I think I'd rather deal with a couple missed penalties than a crew that throws flags every third play.

I wonder what the percentage of NFL officials that are lawyers is. And whether there is a correlation between "being a lawyer" and the frequency an official tosses a flag.

"Wade" wrote:

I would be shocked to find out that all those flags thrown Saturday night added less than 30 minutes to the actual duration of time the game was played.

Thanks to TheViking88 for the sig!!

cheeseheads123
Member

15 years ago

#32

Why not do more bootlegs/rollouts?

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

I agree, Rodgers has made a majority of his big plays with his feet. Get the man out of the pocket!

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#33

IMO that is the wrong way to do things. We need to run our offense, and let the defense try to stop us. With MN pass rush, trying to beat the cover 2 deep played right into their hands.

We needed to force the short stuff, the slants, curls, drags what ever. 1, 3 step drops.

What we did in the game, is Let their defense dictate to our offense, and their offense dictate to our defense. That is how games are lost not won, and we did it twice, and lost twice.

We need to be aggressive. With Brett, we threw slants against cover 2, we dared the defense to stop us. We have lost that and need it back.

"warhawk" wrote:

Well, your thinking is just wrong. What do you think a QB is doing up there pointing their finger and shouting out instructions? They are seeing what the defense is set up to do and adusting the play.

Two weeks ago Rodgers see's the defense, recalls from the film what they were going to do, adjusts the play at the LOS resulting in a long TD to Driver untouched.

Certain defenses are called to stop certain things. You don't run the ball down the throat when you see eight in the box and you don't force the ball short against a cover 2. An offense DICTATES to the defense by doing a good job against the weakness' that defense has and NOT going right into the teeth of what a given defense is set up to stop.

It's ironic you mention Brett Favre and the Vikings and the fact they beat us twice in the same breath with "screw what the defense is doing" run YOUR offense. The STRENGTH of the Vikings is ADRIAN PETERSON. What did we do? Took him out of the running game. What did THEY do. ADUST and put the ball in Favre's hand.

What the heck do you think the Vikings record against us would have been if they said "aw, screw it, they're loading up against AP but were going to run it at them 40 times and DICTATE what our offense does best?

I'll tell you what the result would have been. Two wins for us and 0 for them. The REASON it turned out the other way around is they made better adjustments to what we were doing than the adjustments we made against them.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:

What the QB is doing at the line has nothing to do with calling a game to challenge the cover 2 short. He is adjusting the play called. The QB is going to adjust the play whether deep routes or short routes are called. Most of that is calling protection not changing routes. Unless there certain situations. Checking from pass to run. Not calling plays.

The cover 2 is not perfect. It is 5 short zones. There are gaps in the zones just like any other zones just tighter. There are still players covering those zones that we need to challenge. How, you run plays at them. Take 1 WR and run him upfield againt one of the LBers. That will clean out the short area of the zone for a slant. Or you run a player up the sideline against the CB. And run another player on a short out under. There are many ways to open an area of the field for short routes. It is just a little harder or different than when dealing with other defenses.

We ran short routes against the Cover 2 for years with Brett, we didn't call all deep/intermediate routes. We challenged the cover 2 because we knew we could do it with our players. I still believe we can challenge the Cover 2 with our WR and Rodgers. Apparently McCarthy doesn't.

And the Vikings did not change their offense. They are a WCO team just like us, only they have a legit running attack. We let them dictate what we did on defense just like we let them dictate what we did on offense. and that is not how to coach.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

brnt247
Registered

15 years ago

#34

If you put Rodgers in Favre's scenario they're the best team in the NFL, by far.

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beast (20m) : A more aggressive QB, potentially could of hit the WRs more often, taking some risks, but also potential get an INT.

beast (20m) : So Hurts didn't take many, if any risks, and wasn't throwing into Cover 2, which I think helped the Packers. Where a more aggressive QB o

beast (21m) : Cover 2, keep a CB and Safety over top of both WRs... and Hurts (like Rodgers) is overly careful and doesn't like any risk in his throws.

joepacker (30m) : new to this maybe question n wrong place?

joepacker (31m) : how did the packers mostly shut down the eagles passin attack and specifically how did they manage such a good job on aj brown?

Zero2Cool (4h) : Per his dad

Zero2Cool (4h) : Watson to have his surgery soon, and should be back around Week 12, with a normal rehab.

beast (5h) : More likely to listen if the guy controlling the ball is the one telling them

beast (5h) : Apparently because players aren't doing the small things when the coaches tell them, and LaFleur believes they're more likely

Zero2Cool (8h) : Jordan isn't a vocal guy. Why not let him lead his way?

Zero2Cool (8h) : I'm not sure it ever bodes well when you have to tell your team leader to be more vocal.

Zero2Cool (8h) : CFL. Nice.

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civic (22h) : I’m old enough to remember watching him play in the CFL

civic (22h) : Clements is taking a lot of experience and knowledge out the door with him

Zero2Cool (14-Jan) : Longtime Packers QB coach Tom Clements is retiring, Matt LaFleur says.

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Mucky Tundra (14-Jan) : Anyone else abhor MNF wildcard games?

Martha Careful (14-Jan) : Why is it that the Rams rookies can contribute right away but our first and second year guys are too young to contribute in a meaningful way

Martha Careful (14-Jan) : Yes, Saquon Barkley had a very nice game. But he has a much better offensive line in front of him. I'll take Josh Jacob's. I love the guy

buckeyepackfan (13-Jan) : Rumor has Mike going to The Bears.

Zero2Cool (13-Jan) : Mike McCarthy is out as Cowboys coach

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TheKanataThrilla (13-Jan) : Don't like that call Washtington on 4th down

TheKanataThrilla (12-Jan) : The Bills really need to improve their D. The have the ability to score at will, but if they stumble this D will not save them.

Zero2Cool (12-Jan) : LET'S GO

Mucky Tundra (12-Jan) : Blocked PAT returned for 2; not something you see often

Mucky Tundra (12-Jan) : After a strong start, Herbert playing like ass

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Mucky Tundra (9-Jan) : Notre Lame=Notre Dame, Luckeyes=Ohio State, Pedo St=Penn St

Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : ... It clearly was not what we were supposed to be in, certainly."

Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : Hafley says 3rd and 11 call there was a miscommunication.

Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : The only team I know is Texas from that. Who are the other three?

Mucky Tundra (9-Jan) : Notre Lame vs Pedo St tonight and the Luckeyes vs Texas tomorrow

Mucky Tundra (9-Jan) : Stud

Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : E. Cooper. Rookie of Month. Defense.

Mucky Tundra (8-Jan) : @AaronNagler · 2m Both Jordan Love and Malik Willis were Limited participants at Packers practice today.

Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Johnson didn't make it until 2020. Ring 2023. 🤷 Personally, he should have been in years prior to Hall.

Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : HUMP DAY

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