LeRoy Butler analyzes the Vikings-Packers game· Page 4

Formo
Veteran Member

15 years ago

I think I'd rather deal with a couple missed penalties than a crew that throws flags every third play.

I wonder what the percentage of NFL officials that are lawyers is. And whether there is a correlation between "being a lawyer" and the frequency an official tosses a flag.

"Wade" wrote:

I would be shocked to find out that all those flags thrown Saturday night added less than 30 minutes to the actual duration of time the game was played.

Thanks to TheViking88 for the sig!!

cheeseheads123
Member

15 years ago

#32

Why not do more bootlegs/rollouts?

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

I agree, Rodgers has made a majority of his big plays with his feet. Get the man out of the pocket!

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#33

IMO that is the wrong way to do things. We need to run our offense, and let the defense try to stop us. With MN pass rush, trying to beat the cover 2 deep played right into their hands.

We needed to force the short stuff, the slants, curls, drags what ever. 1, 3 step drops.

What we did in the game, is Let their defense dictate to our offense, and their offense dictate to our defense. That is how games are lost not won, and we did it twice, and lost twice.

We need to be aggressive. With Brett, we threw slants against cover 2, we dared the defense to stop us. We have lost that and need it back.

"warhawk" wrote:

Well, your thinking is just wrong. What do you think a QB is doing up there pointing their finger and shouting out instructions? They are seeing what the defense is set up to do and adusting the play.

Two weeks ago Rodgers see's the defense, recalls from the film what they were going to do, adjusts the play at the LOS resulting in a long TD to Driver untouched.

Certain defenses are called to stop certain things. You don't run the ball down the throat when you see eight in the box and you don't force the ball short against a cover 2. An offense DICTATES to the defense by doing a good job against the weakness' that defense has and NOT going right into the teeth of what a given defense is set up to stop.

It's ironic you mention Brett Favre and the Vikings and the fact they beat us twice in the same breath with "screw what the defense is doing" run YOUR offense. The STRENGTH of the Vikings is ADRIAN PETERSON. What did we do? Took him out of the running game. What did THEY do. ADUST and put the ball in Favre's hand.

What the heck do you think the Vikings record against us would have been if they said "aw, screw it, they're loading up against AP but were going to run it at them 40 times and DICTATE what our offense does best?

I'll tell you what the result would have been. Two wins for us and 0 for them. The REASON it turned out the other way around is they made better adjustments to what we were doing than the adjustments we made against them.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:

What the QB is doing at the line has nothing to do with calling a game to challenge the cover 2 short. He is adjusting the play called. The QB is going to adjust the play whether deep routes or short routes are called. Most of that is calling protection not changing routes. Unless there certain situations. Checking from pass to run. Not calling plays.

The cover 2 is not perfect. It is 5 short zones. There are gaps in the zones just like any other zones just tighter. There are still players covering those zones that we need to challenge. How, you run plays at them. Take 1 WR and run him upfield againt one of the LBers. That will clean out the short area of the zone for a slant. Or you run a player up the sideline against the CB. And run another player on a short out under. There are many ways to open an area of the field for short routes. It is just a little harder or different than when dealing with other defenses.

We ran short routes against the Cover 2 for years with Brett, we didn't call all deep/intermediate routes. We challenged the cover 2 because we knew we could do it with our players. I still believe we can challenge the Cover 2 with our WR and Rodgers. Apparently McCarthy doesn't.

And the Vikings did not change their offense. They are a WCO team just like us, only they have a legit running attack. We let them dictate what we did on defense just like we let them dictate what we did on offense. and that is not how to coach.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

brnt247
Registered

15 years ago

#34

If you put Rodgers in Favre's scenario they're the best team in the NFL, by far.

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beast (4h) : Sounds like no serious injuries from the Saints game and Jacobs and Watson should play in the Vikings game

packerfanoutwest (9h) : both games Watson missed, Packers won

Martha Careful (11h) : I hope all of you have a Merry Christmas!

Mucky Tundra (21h) : Oh I know about Jacobs, I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to mimic Zero lol

buckeyepackfan (21h) : Jacobs was just sat down, Watson re-injured that knee that kept him out 1 game earlier

buckeyepackfan (21h) : I needed .14 that's. .14 points for the whole 4th quarter to win and go to the SB. Lol

Mucky Tundra (21h) : Jacobs gonna be OK???

Zero2Cool (21h) : Watson gonna be OK???

packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : Inactives tonight for the Pack: Alexander- knee Bullard - ankle Williams - quad Walker -ankle Monk Heath

packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : No Jaire, but hopefully the front 7 destroys the line of scrimmage & forces Rattler into a few passes to McKinney.

packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?

bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.

bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?

bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference

Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network

beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th

beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.

bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed

Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno

beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?

packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I see what you did there Mucky

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : dammit. 3:25pm

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Packers Vikings flexed to 3:35pm

Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : Upon receiving the news about Luke Musgrave, I immediately fell to the ground

Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : Yeah baby!

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : LUKE MUSGRAVE PLAYING TONIGHT~!~~~~WOWHOAAOHAOAA yah

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.

beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.

packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : ok I stand corrected

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?

beast (23-Dec) : Saying no to the 6th lock.

beast (23-Dec) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.

beast (23-Dec) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games

beast (23-Dec) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality

beast (23-Dec) : We already have told you... if Packers lose all their games (they won't, but if they did), and Buccaneers and Falcons win all theirs

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I posted it in that Packers and 1 seed thread

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I literally just said it.

packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : show us a scenario where Pack don't get in? bet you can't

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