Rockmolder
15 years ago

I remember Holmgren grabbing Bill Schroeder by the facemask that time. LOL. Mike McCarthy is much more of a "players coach." I think he is closer to Ray Rhodes in that regard.
But I still don't think what Jolly did was that bad. I think he was just getting in the dude's face. Their helmets bumped. He wasn't looking to head butt the dude, imo.
Another "reputation" penalty.

"nerdmann" wrote:



Reputation of what? We don't have a reputation of giving headbutts or anything. That only applies to our aggressive corners and holding O-line.

It was just a dumb thing to do.

That said, McCarthy does indeed look more like a players coach. I don't think he has it in him to be that angry guy, going after people. Just look at his 'angry rant' in one of his press conferences. He sounded like Singletary does after a 41 - 0 victory.

And not to say that that never works, but for this team, I guess it doesn't. They need more guidance and a coach who will give them a foot up their ass from time to time.
Rockmolder
15 years ago
On the MM show:

Why don't you fine players after making unneccesary penalties?

"Audience member" wrote:



If you can figure out how, that'd be great. They're protected by the CBA, so there's no fining, though.

"Mike McCarthy" wrote:



Might not be the exact quote, but it was something along those lines. Good to hear, if you ask me.
longtimefan
15 years ago
but players do police themselves..
macbob
15 years ago

I don't know about the team, but Mike McCarthy's losing me.

1) We're too one-dimensional on offense. We don't need to be a run-first team, but we need enough of a running game to slow down the other team's pass rush. Mike McCarthy only makes a token attempt at running the ball, in my opinion. Running the ball 10-15 times a game while throwing it 35-40 times isn't enough to keep the opposing team's defense honest.

2) He seems lost on the sideline, and doesn't seem to be completely in control of the team. The Johnny Jolly penalty was an example. As I'm watching the game and Jolly goes over and sits on the bench at the end of the series, I was wondering where the coach was. Nobody was chewing him out...er, providing feedback that the penalty was not acceptable.

Mike McCarthy was asked after the game why he didn't bench Jolly, etc. He said that he hadn't seen the play, and that to bench Jolly would have hurt the team. (http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20091103/PKR07/91103194/1954/pkr03?GID=xko+gO70sY/REDoNDN/5PkKYwX7PpQRld2wptXXfg4Y%3D)

To me both of those responses were lame. He may not have seen the play, but he had to have seen the officials flags. He had to hear the officials call that a personal foul was called after the play was over. He had to realize that his defense was staying on the field after stopping the Vikes on 3rd down. He had to realize the Vikes ended up scoring a touchdown instead of kicking a field goal. He has guys up in the booth that could certainly tell him what happened on the play if he had any questions.

I couldn't help contrast his indifference with Mike Holmgren. If something like that had happened on one of Holmgren's teams he would have provided immediate feedback to that player before he had even reached the sideline. In my opinion, either Mike McCarthy isn't interested enough in providing immediate correction when a problem occurs or he's getting overwhelmed during the game and not in control enough on the sideline.

3) Inability to solve mental-error recurring problems (avoidable penalties, pass blocking breakdowns leading to unabated shots on the quarterback, etc.). This has been a problem for the last four years. I don't know whether it's the coaches, the players, or a combination of both, but the coaches seem to be unable to get through to the players enough to change the on-field performance to eliminate the problems. In my opinion, it's primarily on the coaches, and their responsibility to adjust their coaching to get through to the players. I'm tired of hearing "we've got to get that fixed."

4) Zone blocking system. I detested it when we played the Broncos and I was appalled when we adopted it. Our running game has deteriorated badly from the power running game we had under Mike Sherman.

I can't shake the feeling that Mike McCarthy is sliding more toward Ray Rhodes than Mike Holmgren, which is making me start to wistfully look at some of the other coaches out there and speculate if maybe we could do better.

"macbob" wrote:



OK, after the Tampa Bay game, this has moved beyond losing me to has lost me. Add in special teams to the recurring problems that MM has been unable to adequately address. The team is regressing, not progressing, and if through some lucky event happened to make the playoffs, it won't matter because I don't see us going very far against good teams.
Cheesey
15 years ago
Yup....i agree.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
I'm not really questioning this thought anymore. I do think mm has lost this team.
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Lynn_Dickey
15 years ago
sigh....agreed. I used to be a McCarthy supporter, but its over. Cr@p. Who do we bring in?
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El3ment12
15 years ago
I didn't think he lost the team before, but now that we lost to TAMPA......My opinion has changed.
Porforis
15 years ago
To me, the biggest problem is that MM just seems lethargic and uninvolved to me on the sidelines. This is a young team, they need discipline and they need someone that can help them regain focus when things start slipping. I've never seen him chew someone out for a bad play, I've never seen him get ANGRY. There have been games where we have been completely in control of the game, and one of our starters made a completely boneheaded move that cost a big penalty (lions game comes to mind). In these circumstances, I think he absolutely needs to bench players, at least for a while.

This team is out running wild, and they need someone to reign them in. Our team has talent, they just don't have discipline. MM would make a good coach for an older and more experienced team, but I'm starting to feel that he's not the man for a young Green Bay team.
evad04
15 years ago

To me, the biggest problem is that Mike McCarthy just seems lethargic and uninvolved to me on the sidelines. This is a young team, they need discipline and they need someone that can help them regain focus when things start slipping. I've never seen him chew someone out for a bad play, I've never seen him get ANGRY. There have been games where we have been completely in control of the game, and one of our starters made a completely boneheaded move that cost a big penalty (lions game comes to mind). In these circumstances, I think he absolutely needs to bench players, at least for a while.

This team is out running wild, and they need someone to reign them in. Our team has talent, they just don't have discipline. Mike McCarthy would make a good coach for an older and more experienced team, but I'm starting to feel that he's not the man for a young Green Bay team.

"Porforis" wrote:


Tony Dungy never screamed on the sidelines or threw a fit. We're talking about different coaching styles. I swear, there's way too much focus on style points. Furthermore, exactly how much time is dedicated to watching McCarthy during the game? Anyone see the clips from him mic'd up? People were expressing how they didn't know how fired up he got during the game.
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