RainX
14 years ago
I'd say McCarthy gets the rest of this year and next to take this team on a deep playoff run or he's done. He's got two years left on his current HC contract after this season, and I can't see Thompson going into 2012 with a lame duck coach.
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Wade
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14 years ago



Foster
Rourke
Shawn

:)

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Joking aside, Foster is right on the ball about Campen needing to go. I don't see why Mike McCarthy doesn't see it. There are times in life when you are working with a friend of yours and you know your friend doesn't pull his weight, but you try to compensate for him. You put your friend above the goal. That's commendable as a human, but for the team, it's a bad thing.

"Wade" wrote:



Is the problem (a) Campen can't coach well enough, (b) the Packer personnel people are poor at assessing OL talent?, or (c) the stupid ZB semi-scheme?

Do I think we should have better than Campen? Yes. Do I think this will solve the problem? I'm unsure, because I think part of the problem is still b and c as well.

By personnel dept, I don't mean just Thompson, but the scouts, etc. Can these people maybe be good at assessing some positions (WR, QB) and not good at others?

Re: ZB...I've been trying to figure out why they seem to run left more than right....and I wonder if it is because the ZBS requires quality backside blocking....and while Colledge can hold his own more often when they run behind him (partly because Sitton is an all-around stud), he's lousy in giving backside help.
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macbob
14 years ago



Foster
Rourke
Shawn

:)

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Joking aside, Foster is right on the ball about Campen needing to go. I don't see why Mike McCarthy doesn't see it. There are times in life when you are working with a friend of yours and you know your friend doesn't pull his weight, but you try to compensate for him. You put your friend above the goal. That's commendable as a human, but for the team, it's a bad thing.

Shawn I think has a better understanding of what we have to do with the OL than Campen does. I really think that. The whole "well, he gets paid to do it and you don't" is a bunch of bullshit because I personally know someone who can do my job better than I could but he'll never get it because 1) he doesn't have a degree, 2) he doesn't have my charisma so can't interview a tenth as well as I can even though he does circles around me in software engineering.

And for those of you who don't like that comparison, tough shit. Coaching requires brains. Software engineering requires brains. It's a valid comparison. That's why Belichick is the best coach in the business - he's a genius (literally).

This fan gets irrate with McCarthy because this team never seems to be able to pull out the close games. Unless we are blowing somebody out you just get that sinking feeling that we will find a way to lose. Our OT record is pretty horrible and I feel that is Mike McCarthy playing afraid-to-lose football. Great game yesterday, but the 6 turnovers certainly helped.

"Wade" wrote:



Mike McCarthy is not without his faults. My biggest beef is he doesn't punch opponents in the face when they're down on the ground like Belichick does. He often lets opponents back up. No, not good. Kick them when they're down and keep kicking them until the bell rings.

We did exactly that against the Giants. We went for the kill. Hopefully this is a sign of more to come. I want to see us continue to do that.

As for the OL, see what I said to Wade.

By the way, we earned those takeaways and we should have gotten 2 more. We need to catch INTs on D that go right into our freaking hands. I'm glad there were no small children around as I went loose with profanities both times.

Tony Dungy will not coach again.
Jon Gruden would constantly compare Rodgers to Favre and we'd lose Rodgers because of it.


Belichick
Harbaugh
Tomlin
Mike Smith
Reid
Payton
Cowher


Is all I can think of whom are better at Head Coach than McCarthy. I'm iffy on saying Jeff Fisher could be added.

"TheKanataThrilla" wrote:



Thank you Zero. This is what I was looking for.

Now the big question for those who don't like Mike McCarthy, would any of those people leave their current positions to coach the Green Bay Packers? You don't fire someone until you have a replacement lined up or else you risk a guy who's worse.

Mike McCarthy is like Ryan Grant. He's a top 10 at his position but he's not the best. When Grant went down, we realized just how much we needed that guy.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



+1. Very nice post.
macbob
14 years ago



Foster
Rourke
Shawn

:)

"Wade" wrote:



Joking aside, Foster is right on the ball about Campen needing to go. I don't see why Mike McCarthy doesn't see it. There are times in life when you are working with a friend of yours and you know your friend doesn't pull his weight, but you try to compensate for him. You put your friend above the goal. That's commendable as a human, but for the team, it's a bad thing.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Is the problem (a) Campen can't coach well enough, (b) the Packer personnel people are poor at assessing OL talent?, or (c) the stupid ZB semi-scheme?

Do I think we should have better than Campen? Yes. Do I think this will solve the problem? I'm unsure, because I think part of the problem is still b and c as well.

By personnel dept, I don't mean just Thompson, but the scouts, etc. Can these people maybe be good at assessing some positions (WR, QB) and not good at others?

Re: ZB...I've been trying to figure out why they seem to run left more than right....and I wonder if it is because the ZBS requires quality backside blocking....and while Colledge can hold his own more often when they run behind him (partly because Sitton is an all-around stud), he's lousy in giving backside help.

"Wade" wrote:



Don't have any answers. I think the ZBS has led to most of our issues with 3rd & short, and with a mediocre at best running game in general.

My impression when they put in the ZBS was that you didn't need an Adrian Peterson RB (saving $$), and by going with smaller linemen you could draft them in later rounds. That perception may be wrong, and in any event it hasn't worked out that way.

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